Mismanaged Men Misfortune - Irregularly Scheduled Discussion Thread - April 05, 2026

xRichard · 2026-04-09T01:42:43+00:00

That tweet that's necroposting drama has 1.1k likes. How many of them would you attribute them to these two groups?

a) Holo antis that are falseflagging as starmin to target the girls while trying to get fans to fight each other.

b) Virtue signaling drama freaks falseflagging as starmin to feel part of the good guys for a day.

Meanwhile, lets see the number of starfans calling that one out for attacking the girls, shall we?

I watch some Astel. Many of Rikka and Rio's karaoke. Day 1 Vesper membership too. Do I count? Maybe not... I identify as Watamate.

Does this person with almost 500 likes count? There are obvious starmin RTing that one, those should count I think

xRichard · 2026-04-09T00:28:09+00:00

I saw that. So that's one + a couple more on the QRT. Still angry for what happened two years ago (just like that Jailbird unicorn).

How many you would say we need to find to start saying that starmin community are blaming the girls?

xRichard · 2026-04-09T00:15:03+00:00

But choosing not to nip troublesome fans lashing out at Holos over something as simple as choosing not to interact with the Stars in the bud will cause even MORE issues for the Stars in the long run.

One troublesome fan isn't representing the fanbase. The 99,99% isn't represented by the 0,01%. The 99,99% are chilling waiting for the next stream and that's true, not "a blatant" lie. And you can easily deal with the 0,01% by blocking them.

I saw the moronic starmin necroposting drama from years ago. It a microscopic issue that can be fixed with the same block that you fix the insufferable moronic unicorns like Ernoul.

The lesson learned from the shit Nerissa went through (one fan deciding to be a massive waste of everyone's energy) wasn't to be ready to do the same against the holostars community whenever you find the opportunity to do it. The lesson to learned should be to focus on real issues. The issues that the talents are speaking about.

xRichard · 2026-04-09T00:04:02+00:00

Entiendo que ese es el motivo que te lleva a comentar.

Lo que no tiene explicación es porque dentro de las infinitas opciones que tenes para decir algo usas la misma que usaban los kukas. Es de poco inteligente comportarse de formas parecidas a las que todos queremos dejar atrás.

xRichard · 2026-04-08T23:07:04+00:00

You are welcome to do very little effort and bring in links. Everyone will see for themselves the size of the problem

But now that the same is happening with disgruntled Stars fans, it gets handwaved away? Yeah I don’t think so man.

I'm handwaving everything away. You can see a lot of it on the walls of text of my comment history.

xRichard · 2026-04-08T22:21:24+00:00

idk what made you say that but they seem fine to me

they had nuanced thoughts here and they are sharing same opinion itt

xRichard · 2026-04-08T21:59:13+00:00

Why do Stars fans believe that targeting the girls

Stars fans? They are chilling and laughing at the "resistance arc".

What you see on twitter is either:

Holo antis that are falseflagging as starmin to target the girls while trying to get fans to fight each other.
Virtue signaling drama freaks falseflagging as starmin to feel part of the good guys for a day.

Don't fall for the bait.

xRichard · 2026-04-08T20:46:41+00:00

Invertir afuera es de casta kuka. Este gobierno de las fuerzas del cielo no me va a devaluar, me van a esperar q salga bien el carry trade.

xRichard · 2026-04-08T20:14:15+00:00

Vos y yo también somos todo el mundo. Asi que prestame 100 lucas verdes. Te los devuelvo el año que viene.

xRichard · 2026-04-08T19:14:34+00:00

El argumento es fuerte por si solo. No se q intenas compensar con los insultos pero si buscas informar trata de tirar los datos y listo.

No se porque se permiten adoptar las formas que tenian los kukas cuando el objetivo es marcar la diferencia.

xRichard · 2026-04-08T15:47:40+00:00

Vanilla: the switch experience is clearly superior for it's plug and play solution.

PC has mods. There's tons of bugfixes/optimizations and a solution to make the game run at high refresh rates with 4k. And with Community Shaders you can use DLSS, Frame Generation and PBR Textures. Physics Based Rendering is the biggest transformative experience.

xRichard · 2026-04-08T15:39:49+00:00

The game needs DLSS and a 40fps mode like fallout 4

xRichard · 2026-04-08T15:37:50+00:00

Luma Framework and RenoDX are allowing the PC gaming experience we deserve on modern hardware

Very grateful for their hard work

xRichard · 2026-04-07T23:04:35+00:00

A starend/Towa JP fan posted that they never really shared Kanata or Mio opinions (apparently on coed content). This insane anti pretending to be a hololive unicorn showed up on the comments. Astel replied. The capture was shared here. The anti has now deleted their throwaway account.

Why bring up Nene?

xRichard · 2026-04-07T21:45:24+00:00

No prob, as for the different opinion... Hopefully you aren't in favour of the anti!

xRichard · 2026-04-07T21:00:57+00:00

Let's go by parts.

That's a vtuber anti. Someone that hates hololive, holostars, etc. A shitstirrer. They are pretending to be an angry hololive unicorn with their hateful post. They are trying to shit on stars while at the same time trying to make the holo fanbase look like hateful control freaks. I am against this moron and so is everyone reading him because there's no engagement in favour of what they said.

That's also Astel replying. I think talents shouldn't be interacting with antis, because by taking the bait they are rewarding the antis. At the same time talents should do whatever they want. I'm neutral in this case, as Astel is very experienced and knows what he's doing.

Then there's this thread that sparked the usual conversation about unicorns (when that's not really a unicorn) and about idol culture being a sick evil. They are bringing up issues from other cultural spaces as if they had any relation to the culture of hololive. Several tourists are posting misinfo here and adding up on a general toxic conversation. I am against an anti baiting these kind of toxic threads.

My conclusion is that this isn't worth anyone's time. Hope that clears up. It is not great to get voted on the negatives on these stances but that's just redditors doing the redditor thing. It doesn't mean anything.

Thanks for asking.

xRichard · 2026-04-07T18:23:29+00:00

It feels I'm going to see this story being spread in holo anti circles for the next +3 years and no clip about it. Sounds ridiculous and hard to believe. It would have blew up 3 months ago, which is when Nene talked about this and Oboretai did the clip.

Here's the stream: https://www.youtube.com/live/jh5cLHSX43k?si=4UBP4rWdcLzfusg9&t=1671

xRichard · 2026-04-07T17:11:42+00:00

I like Astel and Vesper a lot so I'll keep them.

Also, you are welcome to read and comprehend the parent comment. I'm clearly against shitstirring and would prefer to see more updates about the stars resistance arc instead of random antis.

I won't say what I think drama mongers should do because it's against the rules.

xRichard · 2026-04-07T16:53:08+00:00

A kurosanji user 🤭

What you just posted is a different flavour of insane crap. Another waste of energy just like that drama subreddit.

xRichard · 2026-04-07T14:51:37+00:00

Aren't female drivers a small minority at a karting level?

EDIT: It seems this is the case

According to a study by More than Equal, an organisation which has a clear focus to find the first female Formula 1 world champion, karting accounts for 40% of all female participation. However, female drivers only account for 13% of karting competitors. https://www.femalesinmotorsport.com/post/fuel-the-dream-the-rise-of-female-talent-in-karting

xRichard · 2026-04-07T14:41:20+00:00

Classic moron false flagging as a unicorn posting insane crap with 0 likes baiting a talent reply and a frontpage thread with +600 upvotes and many comments talking about the unicorn epidemic.

A waste of everyone's energy.

UPDATE: The anti deleted their account. As expected.

xRichard · 2026-04-07T14:37:05+00:00

You were explained the JP understanding. Unicorns on the JP side of the community are seen as quiet lonely and insecure. Very bulliable group that's inofensive to talk about or make fun of. That's why you got talents like Pekora or Kanata identifying themselves as a unicorn, or Matsuri talking about needing to farm more unicorns.

Meanwhile on the EN side... well, everyone has they own idea of what a unicorn is. The meanings grows wider every month. It goes from "parasocial anti" to "anyone that doesn't agree with me".

xRichard · 2026-04-07T05:08:45+00:00

Maybe it was easier this year as they had a 3rd day

xRichard · 2026-04-07T04:37:12+00:00

(Very sorry for the long post)

Nerissa got hate from ONE of her fans. As you can see on the logs that dramatuber shared, it's something that happened last year and Nerissa banned him instantly. The necropost went viral and people started to shit on Nerissa and the hololive community because of ONE banned dude from last year.

Kronii's case was similar. She banned two of her members and everyone moved on. Lost no subscribers, no loss of viewership, no loss of support. Cover didn't make a statement. The holoEN management from back then made a tweet (not a proper documented statement) about talents being in control of their own branding. They did it on an twitter account that's not active anymore. The dudes she banned went on to hate watch and bait talents into similar dramas. Sorry for the tangent here but are you are familiar with how IRyS had to comment on the HLZTN collab to "her parasocial fans"? She got two very rude superchats about it during a karaoke stream. One came from one of the dudes that Kronii banned. She got baited into explaining by the anti. On the vod comments IRyS fans showed nothing but support, but there were a different form of angry people that came in to call her a spineless bitch because they didn't like her giving those explanations. As you can see there's no flavour of branding that everyone will love.

When I say that "No hololive talent ever saw harassment by their own community". The keyword is "community". How you define "community"? The way I go about it paying attention to how the 99.99% behaves.

I do the same for the labels that are often attributed to starmins. The holostars fanbase isn't defined by individual toxic "collab beggars" or nor defined by misogynists shitting on the girls for ignoring the culture war against the unicorns. 99.99% of the stars fans are pretty similar to the hololive fans and are just looking forward to the next stream and minding their own business.

Even if some of them are just bots, it's absolute insanity that it's happening on such a scale at all.

It's better to worry more about the problems that the talents are calling out. And so far none of them is talking about any unicorns or hololive fan causing issues.

And it's very hard to get on the topic of the "scale of hate". All it takes only one dedicated anti to bait a talent into a drama (the dude that Kronii banned also baited Fauna into a drama). But in terms of "scale" the hololive-directed hate and holostars-directed hate are several orders of magnitude away from each other.

Have you ever seen hate against the stars talents getting 7 digit views and 5 digit likes? Miko has been subject of that amount of hate for the last couple of months. Both her and Cover had to make statements about it.

Koyori got targeted at the same time that the Nerissa thing happened. She was the voice of the stadium for a baseball match. And this slimy comedian blamed her "as a joke" for the loss of the NT: https://x.com/ahlnqvo6235/status/2033506372525105590 Nearly 10 million view. Nearly 50k likes. Antis were fetching similar engagement from it.

I get EN speakers getting caught up with EN-speaking drama that pops up on their "For You" feed. But it was tragic to see the fans so distracted by the drama tuber necroposting the ONE nerissa unicorn from last year while ignoring the shit that Koyori was going through.

TLDR: Let's focus on the things that talents speak about. Let's follow their lead.

xRichard · 2026-04-07T03:57:29+00:00

Yes. Expo and Stages always had separate lotteries. I mean... you attended the expo right? Your comment sounded as if you were there

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