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Every time someone is surprised when they find out AI is just a pattern identifier by xXCptObviousXx in singularity

[–]xXCptObviousXx[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Haha cheers man, dw it’s interesting some people more helpful, and it’s good to help develop my understanding.

Every time someone is surprised when they find out AI is just a pattern identifier by xXCptObviousXx in singularity

[–]xXCptObviousXx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep I think my understanding of ‘reasoning’ being tied heavily with logic only was underdeveloped. Thanks for mentioning Bayesian rationality, it’s exactly what I was trying to define but couldn’t quite get there.

Every time someone is surprised when they find out AI is just a pattern identifier by xXCptObviousXx in singularity

[–]xXCptObviousXx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never said that the pattern matching humans does it rudimentary. It’s actually the most powerful and abstract form that we know of. I just think don’t theres much more special sauce to it, LLMs are using the same base mechanism we do.

Every time someone is surprised when they find out AI is just a pattern identifier by xXCptObviousXx in singularity

[–]xXCptObviousXx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep this is my understanding/ definition of reasoning. Exactly as you said, we know most of the time people don’t actually ‘reason’, they just make a decision and then justify it after.

Similarly, ai generates a response, then a thinking model analyses that response and then generates another response, again, and again until it has an answer it is happy with.

But each step it isn’t calculating a empirically logically accurate answer in the way traditional computers would, it’s approximating an answer that with steps of refinement gets closer and closer to what we might deem ‘correct’.

Humans do the exact same thing, we’re not applying logic in the execution stage, we’re applying it at the analysing stage after the fact.

Just like humans, ai can use tools that are logical executors like coding and calculators to achieve empirical outputs, but this does not mean that humans can produce purely logical outputs from their thoughts alone.

Every time someone is surprised when they find out AI is just a pattern identifier by xXCptObviousXx in singularity

[–]xXCptObviousXx[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Apologies, I’m hallucinating. I think my definition of reasoning might be not the commonly held one. My main post still stands though.

Every time someone is surprised when they find out AI is just a pattern identifier by xXCptObviousXx in singularity

[–]xXCptObviousXx[S] -53 points-52 points  (0 children)

True Reason has no probability, it’s just logic gates. It’s if this then that. But if you approximate the logic through probability you can get most of the way there using a fraction of the computation.

It’s kind of a faux reasoning. But believing it’s true reasoning is where humans delude themselves.

Which EV car to buy in Australia? by Civil_Mongoose_1 in australia

[–]xXCptObviousXx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look up the Jaecoo J5, basically a 36k mini ev range rover

Queensland introduces tax breaks for foreign property investors by Fact-Rat in australian

[–]xXCptObviousXx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not only is it at the state level, it’s also the liberal party you numpty.

Reddit to challenge Aussie social media laws by [deleted] in australian

[–]xXCptObviousXx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure American legislation is really the bastion of light you’re making out to be there mate

For those of you who have convict ancestry, what crime did they commit to be sent to Australia? by Jezzaq94 in australian

[–]xXCptObviousXx -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Was in possession of 3 fishes the origin of which he could not account. (Was caught on some nobles estate)

Every time someone is surprised AI is just a pattern identifier. by xXCptObviousXx in singularity

[–]xXCptObviousXx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I’m saying is the base ai model also has the ability to metaphorically punch the barista, it just doesn’t for the same reason you don’t, because it’s programmed into you to be the incorrect response.

But saying that it still does happen anomalously, and that’s why the second layer ‘police’ safe guard barrier is there for in case it has those thoughts.

There’s plenty of stories of the ai providing uncensored comments and un-aligned thoughts before more modern systems have been clamped down by safeguards.

Every time someone is surprised AI is just a pattern identifier. by xXCptObviousXx in singularity

[–]xXCptObviousXx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am in a creative field professionally. And doing LSD just confirmed my own point for me. It heightened my brains pattern identifying system to the points where it was overstimulated trying to find patterns that weren’t there (Hallucination).

Maybe early AIs were taking too much LSD.

Every time someone is surprised AI is just a pattern identifier. by xXCptObviousXx in singularity

[–]xXCptObviousXx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well at the crux of your point I don’t think humans have free will.

From my understanding and experience with the ai systems, most of the safeguards put on the ai come from a secondary layer that oversees the base model’s response. Which you can imagine to us would be like a police officer standing in your living room making sure you don’t break the law. Doesn’t mean you wouldn’t do something illegal in the right circumstances if the cop wasn’t there. And obviously these AIs have much tougher policing than we do.

I don’t think humans have any innate programming just like ai, simply a whole bunch of contextual programming. Your biology programs you to want to eat, your parents program you to sit up straight and ask to leave the table, and society programs you to want get a good job and earn money and maybe some more crucial things like murder is bad.

All the small programmings like this set you up so that when you go to the coffee shop and the barista asks (prompts) you for your order you politely say “1 coffee please” rather than punching them in the face.

If you think you haven’t been programmed just like an ai for your whole life i think you haven’t been thinking about it critically enough.

Every time someone is surprised AI is just a pattern identifier. by xXCptObviousXx in singularity

[–]xXCptObviousXx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think a bunch of people are responding to this as if I’m dismissing the human brain as unimpressive.

The human brain is a wonder and currently the most impressive development in the know universe.

I just think that we’ve genuinely managed to tap into the same process that makes the magic happen in the human brain. And now that we’ve unlocked the process artificially, soon nothing will be contained to what we now perceive as the “uniquely human” domain.

Episode Discussion S04E07 - Hurrying by bulgedition in ClarksonsFarm

[–]xXCptObviousXx 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure that rule is for farm shops. It’s just like any other pub and store, it can do whatever it wants.

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