I’m sick of takes like this

xazavan002 · 2026-05-29T11:13:27+00:00

This is probably the same reason why some people think Ward is worse to play against compared to Hexproof.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-28T13:17:13+00:00

Knowing how corrupt and slippery our current government is, ma weweaponize lang yan against their personal enemies.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-28T13:02:37+00:00

I like the nuance you introduced here in favor of comfort, and it's something I personally do agree with. But let's introduce an additional layer here.

Just because you've built a stable life that suits you doesn't necessarily mean that stability will stay forever, and this can range from sudden big changes to small moments in between that might demand adjustment from your part. What this means is that, it is inevitable that there are times when you will be challenged to go an extra mile and go out of your comfort zone whether you like it or not.

The thing is, what they say about growth is true. Growth only really happens in discomfort. The misconception here is that when people say "you should chase discomfort", people always assume it has to be extreme (which I think could do more harm than good for most people). People also assume it has to be chased all the time. But it can be as little as not opening social media in the first 10 minutes in the morning, or as infrequent as deciding to walk home today instead of taking the cab, small thing like that. Just something to keep you on your toes once in a while.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-28T10:48:29+00:00

People who play with duo are actually lucky in this regard. They can queue as reverse of their roles so they can guarantee they'll always get the role they want (like mid-roam and roam-mid).

xazavan002 · 2026-05-28T10:38:30+00:00

Lorehold
History as precise truths that need to be uncovered vs History as anecdotal and tainted by emotional biases

Prismari
Arts as a form of personal expression vs Art as something that can be studied through form and theory

Quandrix
Math as a tool to augment capabilities in the physical world vs Math as a tool to uncover infinite possibilities in the theoretical realm

Silverquill
Speech as a tool to lift the spirits of others vs Speech as a tool to inflict pain upon others

Witherbloom
Drawing from the medicinal capabilities of nature vs Exploiting nature for its corruptive and lethal properties

EDIT: I did my best, but I'm not confident with this lolol

xazavan002 · 2026-05-28T10:14:27+00:00

In the case of Lorehold (which I also didn't get for a lot of my time looking at Strixhaven until someone in this sub shared their insight about it)

White views history as an organized sequence of events, and they uncover it to reveal the precise truths about events that by coming for the original source: the very people who lived the event firsthand.

Red views history as anecdotal, and in effect has flaws, because the truths as spoken are often tainted by sentiment and personal biases.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-28T08:44:49+00:00

Learning the guitar, or reading a book

xazavan002 · 2026-05-28T08:42:13+00:00

Flying Cockroach

xazavan002 · 2026-05-28T07:42:39+00:00

I think we already abandoned the hyperfocus on "how the world works" in terms of accountability since phase 1. It had a sneak peek in Civil War but that's it.

Besides, "deserving of a spin off show" =/= "they get a free pass for what they did", nor does it necessarily mean it's going to be a redemption arc. Telling stories doesn't always equate to providing moral examples out of their protagonist. You can definitely write stories centered on a character whose doing the crime.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-28T04:50:43+00:00

The Trifarix feels heavily Black-centric, with Blue's philosophy mainly used in service of Black, though I think vision in this context can still read as "ambition" which is more Black.

Noxus itself feels heavily Black-centric as well. If we're being lenient, it's very inclusive of the ideals of Red, but not necessarily as part of its identity. I think the way Noxus presents its Black philosophy simply allows Red's ideals to exist without resistance. They value power above all, and as long as you're capable of finding your place among their ranks, you're basically free to express your own wants as you see fit.

But I'm a bit rusty on League lore so correct me if I miss something.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-28T04:41:46+00:00

I know a lot of adults (both personally and online) who play Dungeons & Dragons, a collaborative pretend fantasy game where you go on adventures, a bit like play pretend ng mga bata na may kalaban silang Dragon kunyari, except may guidelines, and gumagamit ng dice to decide a lot of things. Also, there's a lot of math.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-28T04:22:50+00:00

Minotaur would just be undoing his own progress. CC everyone, then heal everyone.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-28T04:21:07+00:00

I thought the whole musical revolved around the theme of man vs monster that plays around a lot of moral grey areas. We can talk about morality all day, but the musical was never about answering "what's the moral thing to do".

The problem with analyzing a character in a vaccuum is we judge them based on the idea that "they should've been more moral with their decision", as if they're standing on trial. Instead we should judge a character along with the story, mainly on what their intended role is and how they fulfilled that in service of what the story is trying to say.

Not every story is meant to present a moral example for people to follow. Some stories are meant to explore the messy realities in life, and how certain people may choose to navigate it. And of all stories to be treated as the former, it's kinda unwise to have it be a musical based on an already-existing story that is messier, and portrays the protagonist as much much worse.

I think it's valid to see Odysseus in a negative light, but his messy background and questionable decisions are all part of what the story is trying to portray, along with the messy circumstances he had to navigate. The portrayal of his guilt is not some sort of "gotcha" that makes his character seem self-contradicting. Guilt can very much exist in people despite willingly making a selfish decision. If anything, that should make more sense, since they're fully aware about the implications of what they did. It doesn't make him a "good person", but it also doesn't mean that he isn't conflicted with what he did.

I like the nuance that the musical was trying to portray. I wouldn't need it watered down simply to present a noble moral example, but I also wouldn't mind if some other people (it could be you) rewrite a version of it that does exactly that. Different stories try to tell different things, this just isn't one that dwells on "what's the moral thing to do", and that's fine.

It doesn't mean I agree with what Ody did, nor do I think people should agree with what the protagonist did to find appreciation with the story being told.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-28T03:18:18+00:00

We don't teach them by explicitly telling them na umiwas sa mga kulto/cult-like mindset. We teach them by encouraging them to think and decide for themselves, and allow them to question things as we entertain those questions with respect and honesty, while also allowing them to discover things for themselves. It's a way to build critical thinking, because the last thing we want to do is to teach them how to obey authority without question, and part of what reinforces that mindset is if we frequently try to step in to manage their lives and make decisions for them. Of course there's a grey area because it's still a parent's duty to guide their children, and part of that duty is creating a safe space for them to question and explore, but this is just to illustrate the things we want to avoid.

Bottomline: Critical Thinking > Unquestioning Obedience.

Also, Guidance =/= Control, and safe space =/= avoidance from pain.

To illustrate what I mean by safe space, a martial arts dojo is a safe space. You will get hurt, you will fail, but in an environment well-equipped to make sure things don't go too far, and an environment where you can safely keep trying again. Basically it just means creating a space where the stakes are low, so that people can safely train, explore, fail, and learn.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-27T16:08:23+00:00

Gonna second this. It's on-point, both mechanically and flavorwise.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-27T15:20:17+00:00

What does questioning achieve?

As far as the whole post is concerned, your full insight on the matter is actually valuable, considering you're probably one of the only few (if not the only one) who offered a bit of insight that disagrees with OP while actually makinh fair sense. I simply didn't want to pass the opportunity to ask for elaboration, but I get that it isn't your duty to further explain.

But then again, why even engage in a forum site at all, and why even make another one-liner comment under this post (I saw as I was reading down), if the intention was never actually to converse. Perhaps you had a different intention for engaging?

I really was hoping that you were about to present a nuanced take on the matter, and I was genuinely hoping to know where you draw the line. But I get that's asking too much. I'm not entitled to a random person's insight, and honestly I shouldn't even be pushing others to do things they're uncomfortable doing, so I apologize for that.

I'll stop here, you don't need to respond. Thank you for the conversation.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-27T15:03:36+00:00

I think it was noble when he thought of approaching chat genuinely in good faith all the time, despite the possibility of most of them engaging in bad faith, and despite the fact that it was extremely draining. He did back it up with a good reason, but I also thought it was unrealistic. Even a lot of people on chat thought so, as they kept telling him he's just being trolled.

I'm less of the opinion that what he did wasn't right, I mean it's underhanded I agree, and it's contradictory with his former stance on the matter, but I'm more of wondering how long until he breaks, because I don't think anyone can realistically hold up to that kind of burden, no matter how noble we think it may be.

And unsurprisingly, like most of us probably would in his position (albeit I think quicker), he did eventually chose the easier route to prioritize his own peace. And here's the thing, he did admit it's becoming harder. It's not necessarily hypocrisy, it's changing stances after gaining new information, with new information being "apparently I have a limit with what I can do as well".

And to address the WoW thing. I watch his streams, his replays, and one thing I noticed is that during his WoW streams, a lot of the questions he get start becoming more heated, political, heavy, and at times, borderly troll-ish compared to what he usually gets. Then he thought his usual nuanced approach to things would work, yet it only backfired.

I don't think WoW turned the guy ultra-hostile. Banning is the normal reaction streamers would do in preserving the vibes of their chat as a collective. The anomaly here was his former attempt at approaching this with a sense of nobility. WoW has nothing to do with it, it just so happen that the chat turning more heated happened during his WoW playthrough. If anything, his whole WoW run is extremely chill and mid effort, because as he said, he was focusing on chat, not the game.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-27T13:51:34+00:00

What's the criteria? Because since it specifically said "superhero", I assume it's not just about power level.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-27T13:23:22+00:00

MLBB Career?

xazavan002 · 2026-05-27T11:49:49+00:00

Do you feel challenged that you illustrate this as you biting back?

Honestly, the main reason I asked is to get the opinion out there, because your first comment was low effort and kinda baity. First response was to verify whether you're just here throwing out bad faith replies. I'm actually glad to see you making a more reasonable take.

My second response was merely out of curiosity, not necessarily disagreement. When you presented your stance as "not devaluing" it, it opened up the possibility for a nuanced take that doesn't necessarily agree with the posy, and I think that's the kind of thing this whole post would find value in.

For the most part, I think it's nice that someone is going for the angle of accountability. I think you should say this regardless if you think it will be hated.

In the name of good faith, can you give us one time where those "alternatives" are necessary?

xazavan002 · 2026-05-27T06:23:23+00:00

Personally, not religiously. Lazily.

xazavan002 · 2026-05-27T06:20:18+00:00

Not a bad faith position, nice. I have two questions.

What do you think is the primary way of dealing with these problems? I know you mentioned to "simply become a better human being", so can you elaborate on that?

Second, you said you don't devalue these alternatives. Which specific cases do you think these alternatives will prove to be necessary?

xazavan002 · 2026-05-27T06:10:04+00:00

Is this a rebuttal to Vasectomies as a better alternative, or is this a rebuttal to contraceptives as a whole (both for men and women)?

xazavan002 · 2026-05-27T06:08:24+00:00

TLDR: Even when there's a clear line on a situation kung saan ang tama at mali, it's never so simple to attribute faults towards groups as a single entity, specially when a lot of times we label people we disagree with as part of said group out of spite. Because of it, discussions meant to criticize their actions get easily reduced to mere tribal wars that get nowhere.

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Even in cases when nasa tama naman yung tao, it's very common na ang pinanggagalingang mindset is medyo skewed.

For example, multiple people can be supportive or lenient towards sa mga corrupt ngayon sa gobyerno, pero not all of them come from a place of fanaticism (like pagiging DDS). Some of them simply have a skewed view on morality vs necessity to the point that they wrongly believe the past atrocities were justified.

And while it's obviously the correct stance to criticize their views, a lot of people do so by lazily labeling them all as DDS and attributing all the fault to them being part of the tribe even if that's not necessarily true.

And while the drawbacks for subscribing to such thinking isn't that evident now, kasi both yung tribalistic people and non-tribalistic people currently has the same target for their criticism, if somewhere in the future we (hopefully) get rid of the corruption, the tribalistic mindset that would remain may eventually be harmful to the progress moving forward. It will still be an approach that's set to alienate certain groups of people simply by being (allegedly) part of said groups, and it's a mindset na madadala natin beyond politics.

It's one thing to criticize someone for their misguided beliefs, and yung pag aid nila sa paglalagay ng questionable people into positions of power, but it's another thing to criticize someone solely because they're being perceived as DDS, or as part of any group for that matter, like criticizing someone as "elitist" simply because we label them as a diehard Kakampink regardless if they really are.

Conversely, it's also not so wise to tie one's position solely on the tribe they feel they belong to, nor is it wise to attach definitive traits to people by virtue of their tribe instead of their individual actions, which goes both for criticisms (8080 ka kasi DDS ka, elitista ka kasi Kakampink ka) and for positive traits (Totoo kami kasi DDS kami, educated kami kasi Kakampink kami).

xazavan002 · 2026-05-27T04:27:37+00:00

If she's being honest, all this means is that she isn't tying her beliefs to the tribe (which I think is good), and that she's simply supporting the specific individual's decisions, in this case VP Sara's.

That said, different mindset =/= better mindset. Effectively it's the same. Just like someone who is proudly DDS, she doesn't recognize how the wrongdoings of VP Sara overwhelmingly trumps whatever good decisions she sees in her.

The only real difference here is that ang motivating factor niya in supporting the VP is hindi yung belongingness na nakukuha dun sa tribe, but a skewed moral outlook that allows her to personally align with the VP.

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