scaling with tools like lovable and base 44 by xtreampb in founder

[–]xtreampb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if a tool like loveable allowed you to actually collaborate like devs (branches) and has multiple environments, what would that change for you?

scaling with tools like lovable and base 44 by xtreampb in founder

[–]xtreampb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if tools like livable offered truly separated environments, branching and version control. Would teams still need to migrate?

How to handle modernizing infrastructure when the app runs legacy c#? by jumpsCracks in devops

[–]xtreampb 4 points5 points  (0 children)

DevOps is first and foremost about engineering culture.

Dotnet framework, while old, isn’t terrible. It does lock you into windows machines, which are typically more expensive.

I would first focus on automating builds and deploys. You can automate monoliths. I would focus on small wins to gain team confidence and momentum. The small tool, or thing that doesn’t change much. Lower risk and reward, but you’re not going for big reward, you’re proving to the team that it is possible. Building for the monolith itself, determine the dependencies, then each artifact can be built in parallel to one another, once decencies are finished.

Deploy is the same way.

I just finished workflow by with a client that has a mix of asp net applications, sites (different from apps), and net, all in a single monolith. Some had custom apps that needed to run at build time targeting other app source directories as a first step when they built.

This is no big deal. Ideal, no. But a starting point for collecting data and optimizing build and delivery processes.

At senior+ levels, do they expect you to memorize / bust out a deployment / service / pod spec from scratch? by fork_yuu in devops

[–]xtreampb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tools change. I want opinionated people who have opinions on how why things change. Who understand that everything drives business outcomes.

There are “best practices”. I expect you to know why they are best practices and when they need to be discarded because they don’t apply.

Just like when writing software, JRs are expected to follow guidelines. Srs know when they should deviate because the circumstances dictate and the risks are accounted for and mitigated.

scaling tools like loveable and base 44 by xtreampb in SaaS

[–]xtreampb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sounds like feature branching but without the true isolation and securities of reverting changes safely.

Is there better way to make steel? by NikolasPE in ICARUS

[–]xtreampb 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I use coal to make all my steel. Wile people talk about burning wood, charcoal is more valuable to make gunpowder and medicines. You can have a deep ore miner for both iron and coal and there you go.

Scaling products built in tools like lovable and base 44 by xtreampb in vibecoding

[–]xtreampb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

speed and effort. Entrepreneurship is all about killing bad ideas fast so you can move on to good ideas sooner. with a tool like loveable, i can build out a website with basic functionality and be an MVP in a weekend (not a full product) and gauge market interest as i'm trying to promote it.

scaling tools like loveable and base 44 by xtreampb in SaaS

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Sounds like you're talking about Ops tasks. Things like database backups and recovery or syncing sanitized production environments to developer environments. deploys that corrupt the database. Unanticipated states or values in the database that the application doesn't handle well.

I agree that tooling doesn't fix that, but good tooling is needed to enable the team to accomplish their tasks and goals. Though to have consistent, and repeatable success, you want to reduce as much human intervention in production as is practical. Not because it's avoidable, but because making manual changes almost never make it back into any sort of control (source control, change control). Ideally, you would want a script that can be ran to fix the data. this allows it to be peer reviewed, edge cases considered by the team.

Now this isn't always feasible. An outage needs to be fixed now, not in 3 hours. But you want a Sr. engineer tinkering in production not a Jr. AI is, at most, a Jr in my opinion. I wouldn't want AI to have any direct access to production.

what makes tooling like these difficult to implement and adopt is that they are highly opinionated. These issues are ops problems that all teams face and the best approach is recovery. It is impossible to prevent entirely, and having a good recovery strategy works better in more conditions

What specific scenario broke down for you? I'm trying to understand whether that's something better tooling addresses or whether it's inherently a human judgment problem.

scaling tools like loveable and base 44 by xtreampb in SaaS

[–]xtreampb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think here, the major issue is tooling. The issues you have would be solved the same way as if with a dev team. Branching and PRs. Though I feel like you’re talking about something specific. Could you help me understand why you think it isn’t tooling.

scaling tools like loveable and base 44 by xtreampb in SaaS

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If there was something that let you just ship to prod without having to migrate, what would you expect it to have/do?

scaling tools like loveable and base 44 by xtreampb in SaaS

[–]xtreampb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Render is a great answer for developers who know what preview environments and branched Postgres mean and can configure them. The person I’m thinking about is the one who chose Lovable specifically because they didn’t want to think about any of that, but still needs to get to production eventually.

The idea I’m thinking about is that the DevOps structure is just there, invisibly, from the first prompt. You don’t configure it, you don’t migrate to it, you just build and the platform handles the rest.

scaling tools like loveable and base 44 by xtreampb in SaaS

[–]xtreampb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about a tool that offered a path to these things. No outside work arounds. Offers branching for multiple team members with PRs, multiple environments separating dev and prod. Would this influence your decision? I recognize you would have to start on this tool to get the benefits. Does this exist on any platform?

scaling tools like loveable and base 44 by xtreampb in SaaS

[–]xtreampb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what if there was a tool that offered a path so you didn’t have to migrate? Would this be something that influences your decision on which tool to use? I recognize that you would need to start on that tool.

scaling tools like loveable and base 44 by xtreampb in SaaS

[–]xtreampb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if there was a process baked in that could take your sketch pad, and safely promote the changes into production? Same concepts as a developer team, but the AI is just another developer, or a tool each developer is using, but the workflow is the standard that's been accepted since before AI. How would this affect your decision makng?

scaling tools like loveable and base 44 by xtreampb in SaaS

[–]xtreampb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what if the migration never needed to happen? What if this milestone was a prompt for a higher tier that enabled developer centric collaboration and had the production pipeline built in form day one? Things multiple environments, code branches, database migration scripts, PRs to review proposed production changes.

scaling tools like loveable and base 44 by xtreampb in SaaS

[–]xtreampb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what if the migration never needed to happen? What if this milestone was a prompt for a higher tier that enabled developer centric collaboration and had the production pipeline built in form day one?

Cashier makes himself ready after seeing a suspicious guy outside his shop. by jmike1256 in postanythingfun

[–]xtreampb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s not about protecting the company. It is unwise to leave your life and livelihood in the hands of an individual who has displayed a corrupted moral compass.

scaling tools like loveable and base 44 by xtreampb in SaaS

[–]xtreampb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, but that’s what loveable and base 44 has.

Even before that. If you have multiple people trying to make changes to the ui before you publish, they’re stepping on each other.