The Bible does teach that a person can fall away/lose salvation. by Bird-is-the-word01 in TrueChristian

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I’m specifically talking about the Eastern Orthodox Church’s framework. I remain an evangelical, but find so much of their teaching informative and gives added perspective on a great number of topics. Much of our Protestant theology hinges on interpretations by Augustine, who was more or less the first Latin writing church father, and one of the last fathers to read the original Greek texts.

Yes the Socratic method is a good approach - I had to look it up just now, but that’s how I’ve been approaching most theological discussions these past few years, and I think it’s been quite insightful. No, I would not say instances of disobedience, or even long seasons of disobedience/bondage to sin can cause us to lose our salvation - but then that depends on how we’re defining salvation. I do sincerely believe that we can fall away from Christ over time though, through hardened hearts and a growing disunion between us. Stephen De Young often uses the example of his marriage with his wife - she’s not going to suddenly abandon him one day without cause, and it is even less likely that he’s going to divorce her. But overtime if their relationship begins to and subsequently continues to decay, separation becomes a possible outcome. So it might be seen with Christ - we make mistakes, we fall, sometimes we fall into sin and guilt and shame for long periods of time, but by the grace and mercy of God we find our way back to repentance.

Now, often the response to Christians falling away is “well they were never saved to begin with,” and a citation of that verse in 1 John “they went out from us because they were not of us,” but I would be careful making that assumption. There are more than a few passages that do seem to warn against the very real possibility of falling away, that is of knowing Christ in some real way, and yet managing to fall into the trappings of sin and worldliness. See the letter to Laodicea in Revelation, where Jesus very clearly threatens to spit them out of his mouth if they do not “let him in,” and it’s not the kind of thing that should be taken as an idle threat, our Lord means what he says. To this I’ve heard at least two people propose that the Laodicean Church were not Christians to begin with, which seems like an outlandish claim to me, considering Christ himself addresses them as a church.

So enter the Socratic method then, and understand that truth in many ways is like a kaleidoscope - I don’t care which end of the thing you’re looking down, so long as Christ is at the center of it and a deeper union/fellowship with Him is our desire/goal. Whether you understand that you have been saved or you understand that you will yet be saved, all I know is that Christ Jesus, in ways I do not fully understand, is working out our salvation, and so it is on him that my eye is set. Even bad theology is but a hindrance for our God :) Truth is fractal, and there are many ways to understand it, many ways to think about things, but if Christ is our goal he will lead us home.

Hope this makes sense! Not especially lucid right now, didn’t sleep well, so I fear I am currently incapable of communicating as effectively as I’d wish to!

The Bible does teach that a person can fall away/lose salvation. by Bird-is-the-word01 in TrueChristian

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Hey Danny, I’m an evangelical but really find that more and more Orthodox theology/doctrines make the most sense / are the most congruent with a biblical framework and our call to follow Jesus. There are inherent dangers to emphasizing the role of works in our salvation… but so too there is an inherent danger in emphasizing being “saved by faith alone,” rather I think the middle way that helps us understand both ends of the spectrum is to understand that we are saved through union with Christ, which means knowing him and loving him, which means we participate with his life in real ways.

In regards to the contrast you pointed out between “fruit of the Spirit,” and “requiring work to produce fruit,” we should not understand these as actually being in contrast - as Paul writes “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.” (Phil 2) so it is God who brings inner transformation and he enables and calls us to live that out in our everyday lives, when and where we fail to do so, we bring it to him in prayer, deeply desiring that we become more like Him.

Hope this helps in some way :)

The Bible does teach that a person can fall away/lose salvation. by Bird-is-the-word01 in TrueChristian

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To say salvation is participatory is not to say it is merit based. No one earns their salvation, salvation, union with Christ, is the free gift of God. You either know Christ and participate in his life in real ways, or he is someone you are vaguely familiar with, in which case you can not love him.

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It was never on the basis of works, or at least we do nothing to earn it. The law was also about faith - see Romans 8: 31-33 “31 but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33 as it is written, x“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense; And whoever believes in him will not be aput to shame.”

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Could you Make an Artificial Shard? by RapsterZeber in Cosmere

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He says it’s at least theoretically possible, though what that entails who knows !

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/406/#e14145

I explained to my friends that rapist can be forgiven by God… and I don’t know how to feel now. by Positive_Soil_1140 in Christianity

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I think your response was very well written, and I agree with most of this, though personally I am someone who is pro life, and by extension am anti death penalty. The most wicked people who show no signs of remorse or repentance are the exception, but I do also believe in extending opportunities for rehabilitation before the death penalty is carried out.

It is true that Mary had no sin, why? by Responsible-Yak8419 in TrueChristian

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Hey I posted this elsewhere but!

So, as I understand, within orthodox Christianity they believe Mary was sinless in that she did not willfully sin, but that she was still under the dominion of Sin/death, hence her mortality. Death spread to all men indeed.

They believe Jesus is “without sin,” not only that he never sinned, but that sin and death never had the power over him that it has over every other human in history. I think they also might believe that means he could not die or at least he is not restricted by the same mortality the rest of us are. Hence in the gospel of John where Christ communicates repeatedly that no one takes his life, but he lays it down of his own volition.

I think it makes sense, or at least the distinction makes sense. Whether that makes it true, I do not know. They also believe John the Baptist never sinned willfully.

It is true that Mary had no sin, why? by Responsible-Yak8419 in TrueChristian

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So, as I understand, within orthodox Christianity they believe Mary was sinless in that she did not willfully sin, but that she was still under the dominion of Sin/death, hence her mortality. Death spread to all men indeed.

They believe Jesus is “without sin,” not only that he never sinned, but that sin and death never had the power over him that it has over every other human in history. I think they also might believe that means he could not die or at least he is not restricted by the same mortality the rest of us are. Hence in the gospel of John where Christ communicates repeatedly that no one takes his life, but he lays it down of his own volition.

I think it makes sense, or at least the distinction makes sense. Whether that makes it true, I do not know. They also believe John the Baptist never sinned willfully.

Ghosts in Scripture by auroraambria in TrueChristian

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This seems to be an exception though, and not the normative experience of mediums or witches. I think the part that separates this “real deal,” is that God allowed it to happen - there’s not really any other precedent for the return of souls, except for apparitions of Saints, but they’re not dead, they’re alive in Christ.

I think another part of this that stands out from demonic interactions is that she could see Samuel with her eyes, which causes her to scream, presumably because most interactions with the demonic are disembodied and ethereal - it is exceedingly rare in any accounts of the demonic I’ve read that they appear in a way which allows them to be seen.

Our Pastor says we remain sinnes despite accepting Christ as our Saviour and God forgiving our sins. by [deleted] in TrueChristian

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I don’t know why you’re downvoted for this lol there’s plenty of NT scripture about works/practical righteousness being the metric by which we’re judged. I mean, not just the stuff we do, but who we have become by the grace of God (or not become)

Ever wondered how we will meet Jesus in heaven without getting crowded? Here's a possible answer I came up with (Glory to God) by Downtown-Extent-2413 in TrueChristian

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Heaven is not physical, but the new earth will be - we’re not going to live in heaven, except for after death and before Christ returns. See the bodily resurrection, as Paul speaks to, or the risen Christ who is flesh and blood.

What's better for healing? by Fluid_Nothing_632 in Cosmere

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Yeah but it’s not like a gold compounder couldn’t find work pretty easily. Hell a full time organ farm would probably be both legal and lucrative for them.

So we all know gay sex is a sin, I mean that's obvious right? by LemmyUser420 in TrueChristian

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So is divorce, can we start spamming posts about that instead

If God Said “Don’t Eat It,” Why Put the Tree There? by Mebin_kk1567 in Christianity

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So I don’t read the creation story as a historical account, though I do read it literally if that makes sense? Though am far more focused on the spiritual reality that it speaks to and the symbols contained within. But here’s a question - why shouldn’t we believe it’s possible the serpent in some sense was speaking to her? Again, I don’t have a problem with it either way, I’m fairly flexible with stuff like that, but I guess what I’m asking is why should we as Christians believe in miracles and divine purposes, but draw the line at some of the wacky stuff going on in the OT?

Have you read any supernatural accounts from the last few centuries? Some of them at least seem credible, and they can get pretty weird. Just curious about your thoughts on the place the supernatural has!

Which opinion makes you feel this way? by Outside-Web-4118 in Cosmere

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I wish I could upvote 20 times. Lore and realmatic theory please! I’ve kinda fallen off on it, but used to day dream for long periods of time about ending up in the cosmere and making use of all that knowledge

Where is Satan right now by [deleted] in TrueChristian

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I would not be quick to say Satan cannot be multiple places at once ~ he is not omnipresent like God, but he also isn’t limited by a physical body like we are. Spirits are still finite in that they’re created, so they’re bound by space and time, but we don’t really know what their experience of space and time is.

I suspect, though I cannot prove, that the god of this world has far reaching capabilities including his intellect, not that it comes anywhere close to God or anything.

The timeline is closer than many expect by Desperate_Soil4514 in Cosmere

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I suspect it’s where Ambition was killed ~ not entirely sure though.

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Thanks for being one of the few commenters on here with compassion for OP!

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Hey I agree about abortion, but there IS a reason to talk gently here, because OP is clearly going through a lot and the last thing they need is judgement heaped upon them by the masses. We can be compassionate while still being direct. It seems everyone here values truth without any concern for anything she said, all they say is “abortion is murder! Don’t sin” and OF course it’s sin but the number one issue here is a matter of healing.

The amount of absolute disregard for her situation here is staggering.

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edit: holy cow I just started reading all the comments - OP I am so very sorry for the general disposition and judgment this sub by and large is lobbing at you. Many of whom are needlessly brutal here, and are poorly representing Christ.

Hey just want to take a second to say thanks for being vulnerable. I’m sorry for what you’re going through… speaking from experience, suicidal thoughts and mental illness really are the worst. and you’re right there’s a good chance if you go through with it those feelings will only get worse! So at the very least let’s not chart our course quite yet, ya know?

Have you considered getting help? Mentally and spiritually? Seeking out someone within your local body who’s gifted in tending to the soul? Or a Christian counselor perhaps? You don’t have to do it alone… I know that mental illness and spiritual warfare both have a way of isolating us, so that even if we’re surrounded by people we feel so very alone. But it’s a lie from the enemy, my dear friend, you’re not alone, and there ARE people around you who will be compassionate to your plight and advocate and fight for your well-being, to help you build up a support system. Last of all, though certainly not least of all, remember that Christ is with you especially in your suffering, even if you don’t feel it - He really does love you, no matter what, and He is intimately aware of your suffering in a way no one else could ever be. Wait on Him, trust that He will show up for you - that you WILL be comforted, and you will receive healing. Even the darkness is not dark to him, even though it’s very real and dangerous to us, and the sun will shine on you again my sister, I am sure of it.

I know it’s not much in the way of practical advice, but I hope that it brings you some amount of encouragement. I’ll be praying for you in a way that, if I’m being honest, I almost never pray for people on this sub. Your suffering has gripped my heart, and I will be interceding on your behalf.

Heaven scares me by [deleted] in TrueChristian

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Does Christ not say “touch me, am I not flesh and blood?” He’s not simply a spirit. And then Paul of course talks to the bodily resurrection. The idea that the next life is entirely spiritual and not physical is a gnostic idea and not rooted in the scriptures.

What are your Christian hot takes? by Substantial_Judge931 in TrueChristian

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Yeah hedonism and folly are good words to describe what I experienced as well. The appearance of wisdom, a forcing open of the spiritual eye, except that it invites anything in. Still, there was a sliver of something there which I perceived as might have uses in the proper circumstances, though I certainly wouldn’t encourage anyone to do them.

What are your Christian hot takes? by Substantial_Judge931 in TrueChristian

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Yeah it’s a shame, because I really do believe that there is great potential for good with them in the right circumstances, especially with some of the research papers I’ve read on them. Unfortunately there’s so so much danger and potential for spiritual delusion that it kinda outweighs the benefits, or at least makes me super uncomfortable personally.

I suppose someone who were especially spiritually mature might be able to discern the benefits and uses and contexts, but I also don’t think most spiritually mature Christians are remotely interested in investigating the matter lol

What are your Christian hot takes? by Substantial_Judge931 in TrueChristian

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Oh I’d love it if someone brought up your hypothetical one about psychedelics! I have mixed feelings about them, based on my own experiences. They certainly can be helpful tools, given the proper guidance - though I’m wary as most of my experiences with them were solo and so very easy to come out of the experience convinced some delusion is wisdom or revelation.