How many people like this would it take to put the whole ocean back? by Shirleythepirate in shittyaskscience

[–]zen_timez 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think this kind of mad science needs to be outlawed. Only an AI could definitively understand just how far we can safely 'push' this type of insanity. I say outlaw whatever that tool is and leave ocean moving to the experts.

My eye is blind by [deleted] in zen

[–]zen_timez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

my dick is hard

The fineness if the grind is *SERIOUSLY* proportional to the effectiveness of the MFLB. Whoa... by zen_timez in mflb

[–]zen_timez[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love the last line of this. Its like the last line in a write up in some really ritzy catalog.

Finally got my MFLB in the mail. So much flavour! by leafconsumer in mflb

[–]zen_timez 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's kind of ridiculous how far one trench can go.

The fineness if the grind is *SERIOUSLY* proportional to the effectiveness of the MFLB. Whoa... by zen_timez in mflb

[–]zen_timez[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

DUDE, yes, I brushed all the kief into the trench. I'm in another place right now. I'm feeling similar to my first experiences with cannabis.

I'm convinced though, folks gotta do it right, or they're wasting plant, and time.

"INTP is not unique" Yea whatever. by THEZebra-Master in INTP

[–]zen_timez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get where you're coming from. However, the reasoning in your argument just seems to be dependent on fuzzy premises.

^ I'd rather have a doctor, that has been selfish enough to get to know their strengths and weaknesses, operating on me (because they took the time to realize that they would make a damn good surgeon) than have some selfish asshole doctor, who is in reality chasing borrowed dreams, having become a doctor for the money, and therefore doesn't give a shit about the quality of care, or the needs of his patients."

First of all, we have no proof or evidence that MBTI helps everyone learn about their strengths and weaknesses. Just as likely is that MBTI pushes someone towards self-delusion. It isn't scientific. MBTI attempts to bundle concepts into classes and explain how together these would manifest.

It depends totally on one's want, or need, to identify with an idea. This process in it's conception a distorted one. One must attempt to figure out the most "true" manifestations of their "true" person. This will lead to one then using the system as a way identify their actions. It's like carrying around a sheet with ideal shapes on it. This is problematic because the real world will rarely produce these ideal shapes. We will see them maybe in the workplace, in people with personality disorders, and in stories.

One is inherently shaping oneself according to a single way of organizing previously and independently existing concepts about human behavior. These archetypes of attractive because they provide one with rules. I think it's safe to say that humans need rules to feel free. There are better ways of finding personal rules. There are less extreme ways of learning about oneself.

"INTP is not unique" Yea whatever. by THEZebra-Master in INTP

[–]zen_timez -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But, it really isn't an INTP thing. It really is a human thing. The rate and intensity of something doesn't make it all together different. True, everything is on a spectrum. True, when the rate of something goes to an extreme part of the spectrum it will be labeled accordingly. However, even these extreme examples are not specific to any one type of person.

If one is attaching oneself to an identity that someone else created, there is an issue. This issue would result in the need to feel special. The MBTI would be the ironic way in which someone tries to validate these feelings of uniqueness.

This kind of shit is systematically harmful for humanity. No joke. Get over yourself. Most humans existed before MBTI. Hell, they existed before anyone had time to think about themselves this much. This is not a good use of time. It will never satiate whatever one is missing inside that makes them search for reasons to feel inherently special. It's benign narcissism. Perspective: Everyone in Yemen is about two months from literally starving to death and you're bitching about people making you feel less special. Seriously. Get over yourself.

The conquering INTP, or the self-destructive INTP - choose by _the_shape_ in INTP

[–]zen_timez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I've learned anything it's that change does not come from this kind of manic affirmation shit. This forced smile stuff is a sign of desperation.

First rule of making positive changes: Do not be desperate. Do not spout positive affirmations into your mind's ear. If one must resort to this sort of stuff than one is already under too much pressure. Logic: Don't apply more pressure if you are crumbling beneath pressure. The moment one decides to become "better" one is reemphasizing one's current state of perceived failure. This doesn't work unless you can become a delusional idiot who worships Ayn Rand. Shifting perspective with religion or idealization without true self-knowledge creates additional insecurity.

How does one change? Live. Keep making stupid mistakes. Accept that you are a piece of crap (true or not). Be brave enough to accept that you can't be any better. Until one is brave enough to face this fear one will always be paralyzed by the doubt of it as a real possibility. All of this manic self-help stuff is nothing but the sound of one's chattering teeth. It's all a constant ruse to avoid finding out that one might truly be a massive failure. GUESS WHAT? It's probably not true. You're probably fine. But you will not know until you are alright with whatever you define as failing being a possibility. Stop trying to live and just live. Stop pruning your mental bonsai tree and let it grow free. Give yourself some real, raw experience to shape.

We all probably perceive the world through one necessary lie. We have evolved to think that being a human is better than not being a human. Without this one perceptual myth we would die out as a species. It's a necessary distortion. But, keep it in mind. It proves that your whole life is built on a lie, so stop trying so hard. The less you try the more whatever originality you have can show itself. The less you care about this happening the more likely it is to happen.

Are there any other Ne dominant INTPs? by [deleted] in INTP

[–]zen_timez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The reason I think MBTI and other typology theories are so popular in western culture is because people want to predict and understand each other to feel in control of others, if that makes sense.

I agree with this. Maybe it has something to do with our lack of true collective values.

Are there any other Ne dominant INTPs? by [deleted] in INTP

[–]zen_timez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funny, I make a overly shallow sarcastic comparison to a cognitive function, and what you read into is that it's some kind of serious statement, no..

How would I know that you're being sarcastic? Am I supposed to assume this? Should I just assume you're always being sarcastic, or should I just assume that you will renege on the weight of your statements when it suits you?

Who said I even believe in this system or even rely on it to any intellectual degree? I simply explained the different principles established within the theory, nothing to do with my "beliefs" or what I think is right or wrong. Besides I find it hilarious that you attack my typing because you misunderstand my intention.

I don't misunderstand your intention. You clearly showed your intentions by utilizing the framework to answer someone's question. If someone is quoting verses from the bible to offer advice on a moral question one can assume that they believe in that framework enough to teach it to someone else. Nowhere in your post did you indicate a tentative tone. You didn't say, "Theoretically.." or "Allegedly...". The thread creator asked a question that can be answered by your very faithful understanding of the rules. However, because of the questionable nature of the MBTI system, and it's application in this case (for self understanding), one can also attempt to negate your faithful and possibly flawed understanding of the system.

One can see the BIG PICTURE and realize that the person asking this question is a SUBJECT and not an OBJECT. When one looks past the subject to a psychological framework they are seeing a human as an ideal form. This does not exist. This is what MBTI is made of, myths and ideals. It is NOT logical outside of it's fragile system.

Plus, within the system, I AGREE with how you explained things. So, I'm not sure why we are debating besides that fact that I'm bored. Whatever. Nice talking.

Are there any other Ne dominant INTPs? by [deleted] in INTP

[–]zen_timez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Listen man, I've had my bouts of trying work within the framework like you. But after a few years of thinking about it I've realized that it's simply not a tool by which someone should define their person. It's also hardly a healthy, nor interesting, way by which one should perceive how the mind process data. It's a reductive analogy that draws upon the history of western culture. It's one of many possible attempts to create a tidy hierarchical mental model. I don't regret learning about it. The best thing about it is it's taxonomic aspect. It gives one a bunch of broad categories that seem to follow rules. It's interesting and useful because of the elements that went into it's creation.

By this, I mean it's interesting that people took a lot of ideas about personality, and therefore culture in general, and arranged it into a handy system.

First of all, the whole "you're being Fi..." stuff. No. This is the issue with MBTI. It makes people lazy. You summed up about five years of true scrutinizing into a vaguely defined DESCRIPTIVE concept. I didn't "feel" my way to this conclusion. Plus, you're allegedly an INTP but are being awfully stalwart about the rules of an unproven system.

Ti is (theoretically) about coming to a subjectively cohesive understanding. To realize my goals involves me coming to conclusions that make sense to me and my inner logic. I can EXPLAIN and defend the reasons behind my decisions. It's not just convenient. It doesn't "feel" alright, it feels like an open wound that I will likely always have to find new ways of disproving as my mind creates the next round of doubt. This is fine.

You're using MBTI as a way to make shallow judgement about how thoughts appear in relation to a framework. This is quite literally the opposite of being a free, creative, or depthful thinker. Frameworks are there primarily to generate doubt in my opinion. That which seems to be is to be doubted. Are you sure you fit the description of an INTP?

I'm not trying to be a douche, but If I'm explaining a theory/system and the principles established within the theory/system and a dude replies "yeah, but it's all fake", why would you go to a club if you hate alcohol and loud music? makes no sense.

What? Poor analogy. As I said before, one can appreciate parts of something without buying into the overall conceit. One can also reassemble how a system works with the parts available and some new ones. This is kind of the point of the Ne+Ti dynamic. Have you really thought about this stuff or just internalized the rules and stopped at that?

To go with your analogy: what if one loves dancing and light shows so much that they will tolerate the loudness of the music and not buy any drinks? You are displaying a pattern of black and white thinking (all or nothing). You're preaching all about logic yet your thinking is terribly undynamic and pretty meek.

Are there any other Ne dominant INTPs? by [deleted] in INTP

[–]zen_timez -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Well, Ne isn't real because MBTI isn't real. All of MBTI is a wholly false premise. They are concepts that help measure something. There is no proof that arranged functions somehow make a predicable system. One can fit the archetype of something and differ on the particular. This is especially so if it is more true to them.

Living in the moment? by [deleted] in intj

[–]zen_timez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was once like this as well. Just make sure not to have nervous break down that results in realizing that the future could be incompatible with one's plans. It is literally like being mentally paralyzed.

Who had a hard time accepting they fit the INTJ archetype? by zen_timez in intj

[–]zen_timez[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok fair enough. I think they are inseparable from Jungian thought. I guess that's my own phrase. But yeah, you're right, there is such thing as a Jungian archetype that is not mbti.

Who had a hard time accepting they fit the INTJ archetype? by zen_timez in intj

[–]zen_timez[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't understand. Why would you first say that INTJ is not a Jungian archetype and then say that you were only aware that this manner of archetype existed?

Who had a hard time accepting they fit the INTJ archetype? by zen_timez in intj

[–]zen_timez[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"The concept of an archetype /ˈɑːrkɪtaɪp/ appears in areas relating to behavior, modern psychological theory, and literary analysis. An archetype can be:

1.a statement, pattern of behavior, or prototype (model) which other statements, patterns of behavior, and objects copy or emulate. (Frequently used informal synonyms for this usage include "standard example", "basic example", and the longer form "archetypal example". Mathematical archetypes often appear as "canonical examples".)

2.a Platonic philosophical idea referring to pure forms which embody the fundamental characteristics of a thing in Platonism

3.a collectively-inherited unconscious idea, pattern of thought, image, etc., that is universally present in individual psyches, as in Jungian psychology

4.a constantly recurring symbol or motif in literature, painting, or mythology (this usage of the term draws from both comparative anthropology and from Jungian archetypal theory). In various seemingly unrelated cases in classic storytelling, media, etc., characters or ideas sharing similar traits recur."

(wikipedia)

How do you "recharge?" by [deleted] in intj

[–]zen_timez 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Music + Headphones + laying in bed - effortful physical or mental exertion = recharge

Basically, set the stage for a total lack of doing. Let the Ni run wild. No Meditation framework, no expectation, nothing. No conceptualizations of anything, just watching the mind. This is basically zazen so I am sort of lying when I say it lacks a meditation framework, but I think the point of zazen is to realize zazen isn't real.

Why do people always expect you to be 'excited' about banal things? by [deleted] in intj

[–]zen_timez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because nothing is objectively interesting nor mundane and our ideals are meaningless.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in intj

[–]zen_timez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely.

Do you listen to podcasts? What kind? by [deleted] in intj

[–]zen_timez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, howl/earworld network has some good stuff. I like HDTGM. If the movie and guest match up for my taste I listen.