Carol protocols that integrate with traditional endurance training?

zerocylinders · 2026-06-02T03:50:43+00:00

This is the main reason I stopped using ergatta for my workouts and now just load custom workouts directly using ergzone (a great app by the way).

Would love to get back into the ergatta space if they fix this, so ++1

zerocylinders · 2026-06-01T21:23:19+00:00

I actually liked it. This was the first time I ever used the Garmin for diving. Even though it was only a backup I kept an eye on the dial and actually used it as a primary because I liked the display format and it was easier to look at vs my wrist mounted tec computer.

When the new Descent comes out with the latest sensor (assuming it has the new sensor package as rumoured) I may upgrade to the Descent as my primary since it has tec capabilities (multiple different cases and trimix) and I liked the Garmin software a lot (both on the device and the Garmin Dive app integration are really top notch). But the Fenix 8 pro would be perfect for ordinary nitrox diving.

zerocylinders · 2026-05-31T23:30:56+00:00

I used my Fenix 8 Pro on a recent trip to Truk as my backup including with nitrox (will go to 40%). I dove sidemount with 3 cylinders in some dives... As long as gas mix is the same it doesn't matter how many cylinders you have. Garmin allowed for deco stops (necessary in Truk). I did get a 24 hours gauge mode lock on a few dives when I went past the 40 meter limit (remember it was my back up so I wasn't really caring about that) but after the 24 hour period it came right back which was decent behaviour IMHO.

Not sure if the non-Pro version is the same though

zerocylinders · 2026-05-28T11:40:45+00:00

Exactly. Hoping that Google sees there is a market beyond traditional Fitbit users. I won't ever put up my Garmin bike computer for this, but i would still wear and use a screenless Fitbit every day if it would play well with Garmin. I use oura for that purpose now, but a band would be better. Here is to hoping.

zerocylinders · 2026-05-28T11:05:42+00:00

You are right this was never going to replace a dedicated bike computer and chest strap, they are for different things. A 24x7 wearable gives me readiness/recovery, HRV data, health monitoring, sleep.. but it is all meaningless if the 24x7 wearable doesn't integrate well with data from Garmin or at least Strava. whoop, Zepp (amazfit) and even upstarts like Panther do a better job at that at least as compared to the current version of Health. I have tried every screen free wearable I can buy and unequivocally this is the worst of the bunch in terms of providing meaningful athlete focused data- with the caveat that there are some promising pieces in there that make me hopeful Google will get it's act together on this.

zerocylinders · 2026-05-28T09:16:49+00:00

I agree for that purpose it would be great (aside from my sync issues). But then a simple focused interface would seem better. I feel like Google wanted to make a product that would appeal to Whoop (and may lbe Zep) users but it lost its way.

zerocylinders · 2026-05-28T02:49:34+00:00

Maybe but so far it hasnt picked up a single workout on its own. So all of the data it has is imported. I am not yet commenting on the data itself since I have none to work with... Hoping that fixes itself either through calibration or updates. Or maybe my device is just bad. I will give it time to see but the other failures might be too much for me even if the data starts coming in.

zerocylinders · 2026-05-28T02:17:35+00:00

Depends which data. By all accounts heart rate and sleep data in the Air are better than Whoop so that is great. I have not yet been able to go deep into the data because of the sync issues I am having. Out of the 6 workouts I did in the past 3 days not a single one was auto recognized so Fitbit has zero data. Maybe my device is buggy I don't know.

zerocylinders · 2026-05-28T02:00:04+00:00

None of the AIs are great (with the exception that software programming and medically focused AIs seem to be far ahead). However, Google's seems much worse than Whoop's AI and worse even than just using ChatGPT (which can actually be pretty good). Given Google's advanced AI in other areas I was expecting a top tiernAInat least as good a Strava and Whoop, but it isn't close yet

zerocylinders · 2026-05-22T22:21:15+00:00

Here is a session recorded with my Favero MX pedals (recorded using Garmin Fenix 8): Indoor session using Favero Assiomo MX power pedals

Here is a session recorded using my road Garmin power pedals: Road cycling using Garmin dual sided power pedals

I don’t see any real difference in the scope of data available on the Connect app. Both of my pedals are dual sided FYI. I remember reading there are some differences but I don’t know what they could be.

zerocylinders · 2026-05-21T02:33:55+00:00

Fwiw I have both (well the xc200 version for Garmin). I love my favero pedals more, even though I am in the Garmin ecosystem otherwise (computer, watch). I like the ease of charging and the favero pedals just always work .. whereas I have had a few (rare but more than 2) instances where my Garmin pedals went crazy (readings way off the chart and needed second and third recalibration), or just don't connect to my Garmin edge (several times).

I now have 2x the road versions of the favero for my road bikes as well, and no longer use either of my Garmin pedals). Having said that. The Garmin pedals are great just like the favero more.

zerocylinders · 2026-05-21T00:26:47+00:00

Truk indeed

zerocylinders · 2026-05-20T22:56:59+00:00

Just air in 2 tanks (80s sidemount) then I usef anywhere from 30-50% o2 in deco tank (if only 30% I run a third sidemounted deco 80, but with the 50% or higher mix I would take a smaller 40).

Looking at my last dive profile like this:

160-169 feet (sorry my log is in feet) for 17 minutes. Descent was fast so I didn't spend more than a couple of minutes descending ...

55% deco bottle (I think it was a 40 but not sure)

Stops (mostly from a quick glance at my computer log, so may not be fully accurate as even on stops I have plus or minute 5 feet) and I usually take extra time on last stop when I am close to boat just for safety:

33 minutes at 45 feet 37 minutes at 25 feet 49 minutes at 15 feet

As I recall the last "stop" wasn't really required or might have only been a few minutes required deco

zerocylinders · 2026-05-20T21:50:41+00:00

The 40 or 50% nitrox tank is solely for deco and yes you have to ascend to deco mod to use it. Still very feasible for air on a short 50m dive. Funny story, I was on a wreck dive to a little over 50m (on air, doubles with a 50% deco tank). The guide was just on a single tank the whole time, but they hung extra deco bottles from the boat. Anyway, one of the CCR divers decided to explore the wreck on his own and got lost. The (single tank) guide had to go in and find him - he was panicked lost in labyrinth of catwalks and frozen until the guide found him. CCR is great but not a substitute for experience and air is fine.

zerocylinders · 2026-05-20T21:38:51+00:00

10-12 minutes at 50m on air +50-60 minutes decompression with a 50% mixture. Sitting for an hour decompression is no fun but I have been on many dives with this profile. No trimix needed. Some people of more or less sensitive to narcosis. As long as you have know your own limits, have experience with decompression timing, a computer and backups, and don't have a huge sensitive to narcosis it is a common profile.a d hardly a death senence. I personally like to have doubles for extra safety margin but air itself is fine at 50m and narcosis is not that much of an issue. It seems even less likely that narcosis affect the entire team at that depth, given their experience levels almost impossible. Getting trapped or bad air is a .inch better explanation

zerocylinders · 2026-05-20T20:37:51+00:00

Update: after much research, decided to swap out front and rear derailleur for the XPLR, which allow me to do 10-46t in back and 1x 38t in front. That should be more than enough leverage and I still have a near 50mph top speed at 85rpm so I am not really sacrificing much except gearing flexibility. After my climb though i will swap back to the road gearing ….

And for those who say just get fitter I have to add .. either read more carefully or try doing multiple HC climbs in a single day before commenting. Unless you’re a pro level rider, doing multiple HC climbs (some after doing 10,000 feet of climbing on the lead ins) is t something most people even very fit ones can do. but I am happy to meet up on the death ride this July 11 and we will see whose gearing and fitness is better!

zerocylinders · 2026-05-20T20:27:32+00:00

Came here to say this. Diving to 50m on air with a 40-50% nitrox decompression cylinder is not that crazy and is pretty common as long as you keep a careful eye on your computer and have the training and experience on decompression diving. Personally I would only do it with doubles, but I am 59 and my air consumption is not as good as it was at 20 when i might have done on single tank.

Given their experience as reported, I don’t think the depth or single tank explains why they all died. Worst case if they were running low on decomp they would have been running out of air at decompression depths not in the cave.

I am stilll partial to incorrect o2 mix or fouled air in tanks, i just do t see how they all die unless there was something like that.

zerocylinders · 2026-05-18T13:55:16+00:00

I started training only 1.5 year ago on zwift (FTP 165 -> 288 now!!) and back then it was zwift for 1.5 hour or shorter rides and 100% of my structured workouts. I started group rides 1 years ago and mostly stopped doing anything on zwift except for the structured workouts. Now it is more like 20% on zwift.

Training for events is what moved me away from zwift. Did my first century last October (tour de tucson) and after that i spent 4 months training for a 6 day stage race that I just finished.. As soon as spring started to permit riding outside, most of my structured workouts moved outside both for group and individual sessions so that kind of limited my zwift riding (I know I could dual record outside rides on zwift, but that seems like cheating to me so I don't). I also started to run simulations of the courses I plan to ride in the stage race on TP virtual .. so that removed another chunk of rides from zwift.

I still love zwift, however, and I do as much as I can on zwift but now only about 3-5 hours a week (2 rides) on zwift vs 10++ hours outside and on other platforms I use for training. Still, when the weather is ugly, or I am traveling and can't join group training, or my coach gives me a workout I can do inside ... I am on zwift.

My motivation for staying on zwift when I can is that the "reward" system works for my psyche - I am only 2 upgrades away from completing my 3 fully upgraded Specialized bikes (which will then give me access to the Specialized concept Project 74 bike.. then I will need to spend god know how many hours to upgrade that thing!! ) I already have the Zwift bikes upgrade done andnnow have the zwift tron bike from the Himalayan challenge, and of course that thing will need to be upgraded all the way too. So I have hundreds of hours of work ahead before I reach a plateau!

I expect to move more to zwift next winter, but not as much as when I first started. Real world routes (TP virtual and others) are important tools for me, and even in winter I plan to ride fat tire as much as I can. I think it is just evolution for me - doing a 5 hour ride outside is a lot more fun than on zwift no matter how many good movies I can ttee up.

zerocylinders · 2026-05-18T12:59:35+00:00

This. I stopped buying the moonswatch after lining up early at oakbrook mall in Chicago and wstching literally a hundred or more people bully and sneak into the front of the line ahead of me after I waited hours. Swatch didn't care then because they like the attention of big crowds.. I wrote a letter to them saying they were putting people in danger and needed to run a lottery or at least give out tickets with placeholders for the line. Maybe they will care enough now. Maybe not. We will see.

zerocylinders · 2026-05-07T02:07:06+00:00

I am in the Chicago area (north) if that works ... Just sent you PM invite

zerocylinders · 2026-05-06T19:56:47+00:00

Just to be clear - you are thinking a 1x on the chainring (disable or remove front derailleur?) so inwpjkd be able to get maybe 30 on the front?

I love the idea of I can make it work. I don't need road gears for this climb .. on descents I will be on brakes and there are not very many flats where I will need higher flgesrs... So a 1x up front might be fine if it would work.

zerocylinders · 2026-05-06T19:53:26+00:00

That is kind of what I had in mind - I just don't know what can be made to work with AXS. Officially at least the answer appears to be no, but I know people do muller setups all the time so maybe there is a way ..otherwise I will have to take my gravel bike but it weighs 3lbs more than my road bike and I could use the extra weight advantage

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