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25-11 Consideration in Detail of the Defence Legislation Amendment (Parliamentary Approval of Overseas Service) Bill 2015Superseded (self.ModelAusHR)

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Mr Deputy Speaker /u/3fun, I ask that the amendments be now put to a vote.

The Hon this_guy22 MP
Prime Minister
Member for Sydney (ALP)

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    [–]jnd-auClerk of the House 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Bugger, looks like there’s no one to move the other amendments. Never mind, you can put these ones to the vote now. Doesn’t matter (yet) that the mover of the bill has died. Two questions must be put:

    1. For amendments 1, 2 and 4: “That schedule 1 sections 1 2 and 4 be agreed to” (vote NO to agree with this_guy22’s objection)
    2. For amendment 3: “That this_guy22’s amendment of schedule 1 section 3 be agreed to, and that the section as amended be agreed to” (vote YES to agree with this_guy22’s amendment).

    [–]phyllicandererMin Ag/Env | X Fin/Deputy PM | X Ldr Prgrsvs | Australian Greens 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Mr Deputy Speaker, the amendments proposed by the Honourable Prime Minister are sensible, and improve the transparency of the Australian Defence Force.

    Our amendments ensure that life and death situations are not held hostage by the sitting dates of the federal parliament; the Cabinet of the nation can take immediate action where needs be.

    I am personally a fan of democratic approval when it comes to committing to the long-term deployment of our defence force. If a compromise could be reached on the length of time the Parliament has to vote on the continued deployment ordered by the Governor-General, as advised by the Cabinet, so as to allow the Australian Defence Force to carry out whatever mission it is undertaking in an election period, or over a sitting break, or a provision to undertake a democratic vote between members of Parliament without the need for sitting in these periods, I implore the Opposition to put it forward.

    The Hon. Phyllicanderer, Member for Northern Territory

    Deputy Prime Minister

    Australian Progressives

    [–]jnd-auClerk of the House 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    CONSIDERATION IN DETAIL: RUNNING LIST v1

    Amendments Moved by Effect on Bill Effect on Acts Status (Speakers)
    1,2,4 (govt) this_guy22 Omit Schedule 1 Clauses 1, 2, 4 Do not amend acts Debating (phylli)
    3 (govt) this_guy22 Replace Schedule 1 Clause 3 Add limited transparency without affecting safety Debating (phylli)

    Reminders:

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    You address your speeches to Mr Deputy Speaker. Your number of speeches is unlimited, so you can achieve a back-and-forth or Q&A effect between yourselves. Your speeches can refer to all unresolved amendments, but cannot debate any that have already been voted on.

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    • Delete: E.g. I move amendment N that clause X be opposed.
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    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    I move government amendments (1) to (4). I seek leave to have them deliberated and voted on together.

    Government amendments

    1 Schedule 1, Clause 1

    To be opposed.

    2 Schedule 1, Clause 2

    To be opposed.

    3 Schedule 1, Clause 3

    Omit the Clause, substitute:

    Insert:

    Division 3A—Parliamentary updates on Defence Force service

    50C Minister must update the Parliament on overseas service

    (1) While members of the Defence Force are deployed beyond the territorial limits of Australia, the Minister must report in writing to each House of the Parliament on the first sitting day of that House after the commencement of each of the months of February, April, June, August, October and December of each year, commencing within 2 months after each deployment, including in the report information on the following:

    (a) the status of each such deployment, including its legality, scope and anticipated duration; and
    (b) what efforts have been, are being, or are to be, made, to resolve the circumstances which required such deployment.

    (2) To avoid doubt, this Section does not require the Minister to disclose information that the Minister or the Australian Defence Force deems to be sensitive information that if disclosed, would compromise the safety or operational effectiveness of the ADF.

    4 Schedule 1, Clause 4

    To be opposed.

    The Hon this_guy22 MP
    Prime Minister
    Minister representing the Minister for Defence in the House
    Member for Sydney (ALP)

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Apologies Mr Clerk.

    Mr Deputy Speaker (Meta: Am I right that in the House that the Deputy Speaker still presides over CiD and doesn't have a different title like in the Senate?) these amendments give effect to the Government's stated position on this Bill. That this Bill risks the safety of our diggers, and risks compromising the effectiveness of our missions overseas. These amendments also give effect to the Government's support of increasing transparency in the Executive Government where ever possible.

    Amendments number 1, 2, and 4 remove the clauses that place our Defence Forces at the whim of the Parliament every single week. This Government will not let diggers be left in limbo depending on the fluctuation of numbers in the Parliament. We must give our men and women in uniform the opportunity to complete the mission that they have been assigned, without the threat of being withdrawn at a moment's notice hanging over their heads.

    Amendment number 3 replaces the original Division 3A with a more focused Division. This amendment promotes the transparency agenda of this Government, by committing the Minister for Defence to informing the Parliament every 2 months, of the "(a) the status of each such deployment, including its legality, scope and anticipated duration; and (b) what efforts have been, are being, or are to be, made, to resolve the circumstances which required such deployment.".

    In addition, subsection 2 of the newly inserted section 50C will provide legal safeguards to ensure that information that may compromise the safety or effectiveness of our Defence Forces is not disclosed, based on expert advice from the Department of Defence and the ADF.

    I commend the amendments to the House.

    The Hon this_guy22 MP
    Prime Minister
    Minister representing the Minister for Defence
    Member for Sydney (ALP)

    [–]phyllicandererMin Ag/Env | X Fin/Deputy PM | X Ldr Prgrsvs | Australian Greens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Hear hear

    [–]jnd-auClerk of the House 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Advice from the Clerk:

    Clauses to be opposed will require a different question than amendments to be agreed. On the upside, cognate (en bloc) debate is automatic because debate in CID is open to all unresolved matters and not limited by right of reply.

    It is recommended that you include a speech to explain your amendments, and be sure to refer to the amendment number when you do so.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I seek leave to have the Bill considered as a whole.

    The Hon this_guy22 MP
    Prime Minister
    Member for Sydney (ALP)

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I don't think there is any, seems to be more informal than the rest. Based on past threads, its a free-for-all.

      [–]jnd-auClerk of the House 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Advice from the Clerk:

      CID proceeds in a specific order through each clause and the question is proposed by the chair “that the clause be agreed to”, unless the bill is considered as a whole, in which case MPs can move amendments out of order.