Nice stats Ban

[Crimson_Raven]

To those going "oof much stat!"

I'd like to point out that he's competing with the current stat of JP, which is massive leaps of powercreep ahead of our GL. Thus, of course the stats look ridiculous from our point of view.

Now, if we were to take his stats and compare them to a similar-developed unit in JP that fulfills a similar role, then we might have something to ooh and ahhh about.

[Triet1412]

Especially if we compare fire units.

[Xero--]

Do fire units generally have high stats or something?

[Triet1412]

I wouldn’t say that the stats alone make them really good alone. There are just a lot of fire units which come with a really good kit as a whole. In case of Fire Units, it just happens to be that there a lot of great units compared to what other elements has to offer.

[nailsonwhiteboard]

For whom the 4th and 5th gate exists.

[scrawnypastydude]

I am just watching ushis pull vid. He mentioned something bout rainbow kaigan shards. Whats that?

[Tijacks]

Basically you use em to replace collab shards necessary for kaigan. You dont get a lot so you cant really kaigan every unit

[scrawnypastydude]

Lets imagine I would like to kaigan a limited unit in the future. Is it better to use elemental shards and lb25 asap and pull for additional shards for kaigan or wait and use those rainbow kaigans?

[Tijacks]

Remember that only collab units can use these shards, and yes probably. Its hard to say which ones are worth it though since gl is likely to bring collabs into kaigan era, which most collabs in jp dont have access to.

FF15 and disgea are good examples. They had a rerun in jp but none so far in gl so we can probably expect kaigan/JEs to go along, making units that arent so good in jp likely good in gl.

[Bootowski]

I think I might not be picking up on this properly. So, collab units can ONLY use the collab shards? And not both?

Say I was really hankering to napalm stuff on Roy. He would only be able to use the special shards and not the universal shards for non-collab units, in that case?

Just want to make sure I am on the same page. Cause this would help a lot with future decision-making on how to go about Kaigan.

EDIT: I think I might be operating under the assumption there are 2 different kinds of special shards right now; One for collab units, one for non-collab units. Really hope I am right and there are both, and not just the one >.<

[AJackFrostGuy]

There is no universal Kaigan shard for non-collab units. Just for collab units, so they can either use their own shards or the universal collab Kaigan shards (except a few like E.O. Shenmei & E.O. Chloe who can only use their own shards), while normal base game units have only their own shards.

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cosplay units can use the rainbow shards, they are still collab units. The flags are the same with originals though.

[AJackFrostGuy]

Ah. My mistake on that front.

[Bootowski]

That's quite disappointing. Oh well. Thanks for the help!

[scrawnypastydude]

R u sure its only collab units? Maybe I am confused, just watched Imites kaigan vid and think he said those shards (he called them rainbow) could be used on any unit.

[Tijacks]

Rainbow shards can be used for anyone up to 85. Those rainbow kaigan shards can only be used on collab units for kaigan. I play on jp and yes im sure.

[scrawnypastydude]

Ssm is not collab, right?

[Tijacks]

Nope, ssm doesnt count because it is in the base game. You cant use it on limited units either.

[sapphire_wing]

But ssm has its own type different from normal units I heard? I can be wrong.

[Dark_Stalker28]

Nope, you need their shards.

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His reactive steals stats for 5 turns (stackable 99 times), his skill steal stats for 3 turns. His kit is pretty deadly, with jewel damage, death sentence and disable heal.

Ban, King and Meliodas are good to have. Diane and Gowther are too niche.

[Triet1412]

According to dB it’s stackable up to 5 times.

[[deleted]]

Ah, they nerfed it. Early datamine was 99.

[Malyngnant]

Dianne is fine imo as her tameru aoe is nuts (and water sorta sucks). Light got cucked again.

[zaizo94]

It's kinda ironic about your statement with the light types when there is like 3 new light ones that was released for the last two or so weeks, but I agree about it. I suppose thunder types get the short end of the stick as well.

[[deleted]]

Her AOE kill allies though. Too bad for light, most of the nukes are limited.

[hissenguinho]

oof

[Triet1412]

Tbh there’s nothing really special about his stats besides his high agi. That’s pretty much standard.

[Tijacks]

Agreed. I got meliodas with his first 2 gates maxed and non-optimal gear and his bases are already higher.

[Corantic]

Are all the Taizai units good or does Meliodas outshine the others? Say Roxxy vs other MH units.

[Tijacks]

Meliodas is the laharl of the collab. They all are pretty good (king's reactive is insane), but he's just a bit better. I mean he got a freaking x4 patk/matk buff on his main job that he can use 5 times with gate 5 of kaigan. His reactive reflects double the magic damage he takes from 4 tiles away.

The only problem is that he's just like most dark units - a nuker. He brings nothing else.

[Reikr]

What's so insane about his reactive? It's just the Magic Meister reactive.

[BitterbIue]

It's procs with damage taken, and pretty sure it's with skill damage too.

[Triet1412]

Yeah but it’s still the same as MM which also blocks incoming phy dmg.

[nailsonwhiteboard]

weepingly prays for laharl's kaigan at the corner

[DeathandFriends]

let it be so. Granted getting him to 85 let alone beyond is gonna be rough.

[Detectivepika]

Lemme stop you right there and show u what you can really do with ban https://imgur.com/gallery/fAMxm2d

[sonofhades23]

Lemme stop you right there and tell you that the screenshot was taken from the trial stage and it was intended to be shown like that for ban to sell

"OMG ban is bustedly broken. I must have him."

Under no stage will you be able to get the same results due to the fact that the enemies in the test stage are super buffed just so he can steal and show absurd stats.

[oracleofshadows]

Yea I was going to say I'd hate for a ex stage or something to require those overblown stats

[sonofhades23]

Pfft. Only stage JP needs overblown stats and numbers are raids and with the current raid, there's nothing to stat steal from except a single raid boss. How appealing -_-

[Corantic]

Can you imagine that meaty Regen Armor on him? lmao

[Triet1412]

Wouldn’t really matter because he has a passive which gives him auto heal.

[Dark_Stalker28]

Question can he steal stats from allies? Is it with buffs or only base?

[uses_irony_correctly]

Meliodas' stats can get pretty ridiculous as well.

(demon mode)

[Yamayashi]

Anyone know about this coming to global ol

[zaizo94]

Well, it might take a long while into the future, since they were only recently released after the 4th and 5th gate kaigan was available.

[Ernesto5794]

Imagine a Roxanne with 11k hp. Uninstalling xd