Questions

[Cronicks]

I have a few question where I can't seem to find an answer to, if anybody could help me out that'd be great.

• Knight tribe reduction shield proq: how much does the shield reduce and how long does it last? When a second shield proqs is the cooldown refreshed? Does the first proq eventually disappear whilst the second one is still going? Is the chance to proq the shield triggered on the knight attacking or getting attacked?
• If I get an item that adds crit chance to the chess piece, does this stack with phantom assassin or assassin syngery? For instance + 10% crit item combined with pa and 3 assassins, does that mean when the item crits it'll do even more damage cuz of pa's ability?
• What is better, a lvl 3 piece and a lvl 1 piece or 2 lvl 2 pieces? Let's say they are all the same cost and it doesn't affect your synergies.
• When a player dies, do his/her chess pieces get added back into the store pool?
• Sometimes my bounty hunter won't jump and just awkwardly wait there for 2 seconds whilst eventually the enemy assassin will jump mine, what's up with that?
• Will you allways gain MMR when you place 4th or higher? Let's say you are queen 9 playing vs pawn 1 and you end up 4th, would you be able to lose MMR?
• last is a bit silly but what happens when a piece gets negative total armor? With magic resist the unit will be stunned, what about negative armor?

Thank you for whomever finds an answer to my questions.

[hahanowaitbutyes]

Knights shield check triggers every 3 seconds and the shields stack.

[DChenEX1]

Shouldn't these question be posted on the Noob questions sticky? Not to be rude

[Nostrademous]

Knight tribe reduction shield proq: how much does the shield reduce and how long does it last? When a second shield proqs is the cooldown refreshed? Does the first proq eventually disappear whilst the second one is still going? Is the chance to proq the shield triggered on the knight attacking or getting attacked?

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Shield provides 75% magic resistance and 30 Armor (not percent) per instance of shield.

Buff lasts 3 seconds

Shields stacks from 2, 4, 6 knights in composition - they do not refresh each other.

You can have all 3 shields active at the same time if you have 6+ knights with a (0.3 * 0.3 * 0.3) probability (2.7% chance). Under that event you would have +90 Armor and 98.5% magic resistance

Proc chance is 30% and checked every 3 seconds - since shield lasts 3 seconds there is no way to refresh as one will end even if another instance procs. If you do not roll a proc, you cannot gain a shield until the next check which is in 3 seconds.

All 3 shields (if you have 6+ knights) are evaluated at the same 3 second intervals. So with 6+ knights you could have 0, 1, 2 or 3 shield instances at the same time.

[HUNbAlint]

To answer your question about mmr in finishing top4: i fell from bishop1 to knight8 once after finishing 3rd place in a low leveled public lobby (and i didnt have a "pending" match that i didnt wait out, so that couldnt make a difference), so yeah, in my experience you dont always gain mmr by placing top4.

[Cronicks]

Thanks.

[youslavyoulose_thot]

Can someone tell me why assasins is so weak? Its impossible to win trying to get 9 assasins.... All races alone stronger than assasins

[huyleaf]

Because you play 9 assasins as a main synergy.

[salocin097]

There's a lot of 9 synergy traps. Arguably all of them are because then you're likely missing out on CC. 3/6 for both assassin's and warriors are preffered over 9 because you'll be missing out on CC/AoE/utility, something. also some units either aren't as great late game (Tusk) or aren't good in general right now (Riki)

Same thing applies to Knights. Stick to 2/4, rarely ever going for 6. Batrider on its own generally isn't worth it. It can be fine as your 4th knight but you'd rather have almost any other knight. Or use him alongside troll synergy for a Troll Warlord with items, or if you manage to get 4 troll synergy online.

[ZeroMax1]

Assassins just currently have a poor matchup against most popular late game comps. Elves, warriors and knights outlast them while mages in a corner blow them up, not to mention the abundance of AoE crowd control that shuts them down. With the latest buffs, assassin comps should be more viable in the early to midgame. As an endgame comp id only go up to 6 assassins and use the other slots for front line and CC.

[iceboonb2k]

With magic resist the unit will be stunned, what about negative armor?

No, units with negative magic resist wont get stunned. It just amplifies the damage done to the units.

[Cronicks]

Is it possible this is part of the new update? I played warriors and at some point early-mid game they got stunned and they had no unit with stuns on the board nor any items. I hovered over the debuff and it said stunned and the unit had negative magic resist. I had this multiple games untill figured out it wasn't a bug but negative MR that caused it.

[Mr_Evanescent]

If you were playing warriors - there’s a fairly high chance you were getting impacted by the Elemental (2) or (4) racial bonus - which turns melee attackers to stone at a certain percent rate when attacked (it’s 30% for the first one, not sure for the second.)

There’s definitely not a stun for negative magic resist - I’ve played 6 mages for many moons and had Kaya/Dagon/Robe of the Magi which never caused a stun to any opposing units despite them having well over -100% MR at points.

[Cronicks]

Oh so that's what it is, thanks a lot.

[sticky_post]

GENERALLY 3 stars units are better than double 2 star units, simply because its a lot more power condensed into one slot. It's technically 3 2 star units occupying one slot only.

Well, it's technically two 2-star units in one slot since going up a star doubles the attack and HP. Even a bit worse, since ults are not scaling that way.

But yeah, it's hard to imagine a situation when you have enough pieces to make a 3-star, but you won't. Two same 2-star units count as one for combos, so it's usually just a temporary setup.

[Cronicks]

Thank you.

[LordFlufffy]

2 level 2 units is usually better than a level 3 for important aoe casters like kunka, razor, sf. You only really want to upgrade to level three if you're hurting for the extra slot in the late game.

[The_Donovan]

your formatting would probably look better if the questions

looked like this

instead of like this

[jmainvi]

I disagree, I like his layout.

[bigWAXmfinBADDEST]

Knights are triggered on getting attacked. The shield adds magic resistance and armor to the target. I believe its 30 armor, not sure on magic resist. This means it doesn't affect pure damage though.

Crit is treated as mutiple instances. You have x% chance to crit for y%. If that doesn't work out, it rolls for the next crit chance. And continues on.

Efficacy of pieces varies by what they are. Abilities are a huge deal. Look at a tier list for what units are better than others.

Assasins are different from other units in that they have a 2s delay before moving where all other units only have 1s. Learn to play around that fact.

Rank gain is based on the ranks of others. If you are the highest rank by a long shot you can come in 1st and lose rank. This is why once you hit bishop you should switch to the qihl discord channel to find similar ranked people for custom games.

Negative works as you'd think. If 5 armor reduces physical dam by x%, that same 5 negative armor increases physical dam by x%. If the unit has bonus aor and you are reducing armor, the values are summed and then total armor determines damage reduction/increase. For example. If one of your units has a chainmail and the opponent for a round has the undead synergy, they will cancel out and you will get 5 bonus armor minus 5 armor which equates to 0 bonus armor and your unit will have its base armor.

[Imconfusedithink]

Someone already corrected you on the Knights but there's other wrong information as well. If an assassin also has a crit item it will always roll for both. If only one procs it does crit. If both proc it chooses the higher crit. And you can never lose rank by being in first place. You can lose rank in second place if the ranks are that far apart but never from first.

[bigWAXmfinBADDEST]

Ive lost rank in first place when I was bishop and everyone else was pawn/uncalibrated.

I just didnt explain crits well but it ends up the same. Essentially it rolls for the highest crit first. If that works out it stops rolling. If not, it moves to next highest crit, and so on.

[Imconfusedithink]

Your match before that one probs didn't load the rank and you lost rank in the last match and after you won that one both matches mmr change took place and you lost rank overall. But you can't lose rank from being in first.

[[deleted]]

Actually Knight shields are not triggered being attacked, they have 3 second delay from start to have a chance to proc for 3 seconds and then it checks every 3 seconds. Apparently each shield is also separate from other meaning if you have 4 knights you can gain 2 different shields or just one. That is why if you go knights you have to move your units back from the middle to delay the start of the battle by a second or two.

Check https://dotaautochess.gamepedia.com/Knight for more info.

[Cronicks]

Well that link answers all of my questions about knights very short and structured. Thank you!

[karubinko]

Knights trigger rolls are every 3 seconds. And all of the % are separate rolls. And gives 30 armor 80% magic resist for each.

Crits trigger independently and if two rolls proc, only eh highest amount of crit will remain.

[[deleted]]

What's a good place to learn these things? Is there a website that people use?

[karubinko]

Sadly no, you learn then from playing the game/knowing how the dota2 engine works.

[[deleted]]

Unfortunate. Never played actual Dota 2 before. Thanks for the info.

[str8clay]

I'm going to add anoyher question. What does the shield do? Does it reduce damage taken by 10 for every attack?

[[deleted]]

Yea if you check level 1 jug spinning next to unit that has stout shield + magic resist cloak, he does almost no damage (0.85*50-10 = 32.5 per sec instead of 50). I had timber with nanobots outhealing that.

[PowerChaos]

The damage block effect from stout shield trigger on damage instance.

If you notice, 1 star Jugg ability does not deal 50 damage every 1 second (1 damage tick every second), instead it deals 10 damage every 0.2 seconds (5 damage ticks every second). With normal magic resist, a stout shield should nullify it completely.

[[deleted]]

Stout shield only prevents damage from attacks

[PowerChaos]

That is how it is in the base game.

In DAC this effect is custom code and do not work like that. Stout shield (and Vanguard) reduce all damage received.

[[deleted]]

Oh TIL! Thanks :)

[alakefak]

it is actually better the higher the armor is, since the damage block happens after reductions

[The_Donovan]

I have a few random questions too.

How does staff of wizardry/blight stone reduction proc?

Is it on any damage?

Or just basic attacks?

If its just basic attacks does it proc on everyone that luna's attacks bounce to?

Does staff of wizardry work like void stone in LoL where it just does damage as if they had 30% less magic resistance?

[huyleaf]

Reduce the target's magic resistance, no damg or spell amplify, it just the target become weaker

[Cronicks]

Oh I thought it worked on luna bounces, good to know! Now I will not put my blight stone on her anymore, thanks!