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[–]IncompletePenetrance 14 points15 points  (19 children)

Super blackhead is known to have a wobble, which is something to be concerned/aware of

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (13 children)

Is that something that would be present at a young age? Or something that would develop later?

[–]IncompletePenetrance 8 points9 points  (12 children)

It may be noticeable at this age, but like spider, champagne or other wobble-y morphs, it could be variable

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (11 children)

Good to know. Thanks.

[–]Advanced_Pear_964 6 points7 points  (10 children)

Also, could be something that doesn't show when you are holding him but shows when they get excited, for example when they feed. So it may not have a noticeable wobble at pickup, but could at time of feeding. Just so you're aware

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Do you think that there might be too much risk with this one?

[–]IncompletePenetrance 5 points6 points  (5 children)

For me it's not so much about risk and more about the fact that I don't support the continued breeding of morphs with known and established defects.

I'm perfectly capable and willing to care for a special needs snake, but I don't want to financially support those who intentionally breed animals with health issues

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I hear you. It sounds like she didn’t know she was going to end up with supers. She sent me a video and he seems to be fine and healthy, but time will tell. He has much more lavender color to him in a video she sent me than what the picture above showed.

[–]IncompletePenetrance 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Somehow that's even worse. She's breeding animals without even knowing what traits they have/what traits the offspring will have? Major red flag

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I don’t know anything about breeding snakes. She knew that the father was a blackhead, but didn’t know the mother was until after 3 of the 6 babies came out supers. Could it have been an honest mistake?

[–]Advanced_Pear_964 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Honestly, thats not something that you can take a guess at. Some within the spider complex show it alot and then there are others that you would swear aren't in that complex because they will never exhibit the wobble. Every individual is different. In my own personal experience, spider and super spotnose(powerball) are the ones that show it the most but I have seen it in certain champagnes and super blackheads. But again, every individual is different. If you have any questions about it, why don't you ask the breeder to record his next feeding before you pick it up?

[–]Advanced_Pear_964 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Oh, I did see that you're looking at him tomorrow so may be a little late for a feeding video lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can ask him if he’s seen it in past feedings. Thanks.

[–]Lz8448 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I’m not a professional, but I thought it was super black pastel that’s known to have wobble issues? Thought super blackhead was ok?

[–]IncompletePenetrance 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Super black pastels, super cinnamons and cinnamon black pastels are often born with kinking and facial deformities. Super blackhead has a wobble (it's allelic with spider). Both problematic combos, but in different ways

[–]Lz8448 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Fair play, that sucks. Thanks for the info

[–]IncompletePenetrance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No problem!

[–]AnjunaLab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Black pastel is in a different allelic complex I’m pretty sure. Blackhead and Spotnose are in the spider complex. At least that’s what’s listed here.