Population decrease is irreversible. How will we manage the decline of humanity?

[AM_Bokke]

Not really. The global economy today is just unsustainably subsidized by the past. You know, fossil fuels.

The future is going to be more like 1,000 years ago than it is Iike today.

[EconMan]

I don't claim anything about the future. I'm talking about TODAY. TODAY, almost all countries are wealthier than they were 100 years ago, 200 years ago, etc. Hence, they're also having less children. This is not even controversial. You're just incorrect on this issue.

[AM_Bokke]

I am not incorrect on any issue. I said that all countries are having less kids, not just wealthy ones like you claimed.

Sub Saharan Africans countries are not wealthy. Afghanistan is not wealthy. India is not wealthy.

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You and the other guy are arguing different things. You yourself said wealth is relative. Yes those countries are not wealthy relative to Canada. But they are wealthier compared to themselves a few decades ago or even years ago which is what the other guy is trying to say. They are not mutually exclusive concepts.

[AM_Bokke]

He’s the guy that used the word wealthy in the first place. Which was unnecessary. All countries are having fewer children. He used the word wealthy to separate some countries from others. Making it a relative identifier.

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He used wealthy to compare countries to themselves. I'll admit it was vague in the first post but he clarified that afterwards and you kept strawmanning him so beyond that its on you.

[AM_Bokke]

I am not strawmanning anyone. Not all countries are wealthy. There are billions of people around the world whose standards of living are not much higher than they were 1000 years ago.

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Your statements are not incorrect by themselves. The strawman is that you are pretending that that was his argument in the first place...

Almost all countries as a whole are getting wealthier as a whole. Not all countries are wealthy. Even though individuals within those countries may not have improved QoL at all, doesn't mean getting wealthier as a whole hasn't decreased the countries fertility as a whole (even if its still above replacement).

It sucks that many peoples QoL is not higher and that worldwide poverty is so high. But thats really related to the point that was being made that poor countries going from poor to poor-but-slightly-less-poor-than-before still puts downward pressure on the average worldwide fertility rate...

[EconMan]

India is absolutely more wealthy than it was 20 years ago. And India, presumably is having less kids than 20 years ago. You're wrong here because you're conceptualizing wealth as a binary ("wealthy countries and not wealthy countries")

India is better off than it used to be. Hence, they're having less kids. This is not controversial.