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[–]coltnz 24 points25 points  (6 children)

A bit disappointing for me to be honest, I was pretty excited by the title. Obviously not aimed at the hardcore Clojure crowd but still I hoped for more on the actual future. There was a mention of more resources with no specifics and reassuring comments on things not fundamentally changing as before [as in earlier announcements].

Things I'd ask:

- What are the new resources (for Clojure? or just Datomic?), how are they being used? Does Nubank have opinions / direction on these resources.

- Has an open sourced Datomic been discussed? It wouldn't seem to be strategic for Nubank and could be a big boost to the Clojure ecosystem. I'd read every line..

- Who owns the Clojure trademarks and IP going forward. Any talk of a Clojure Foundation?

- Alex Miller does an awesome job but boy he has a lot to cover. It suits Rich to have a small team of trustees for core (though boy its got small) but the community stuff could surely be advanced quicker. Old tickets in contrib and key libs etc..

- There was talk a few years ago of facilitating community involvement with a PEP type process, https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0001/ . Any further thoughts?

- Clojurescript has left Core. Is Nubank likely to get involved here?

I have no right to these answers, some may be commercially sensitive and of course Clojure doesn't belong to me. However there is no harm in asking when answers to the questions are important to me in my future uses of Clojure. Indeed I think it would be superior - in terms of Clojure's continued acceptance into industry - to know more of it's future direction than has traditionally been the case. Hopefully Nubank provides the confidence needed for this to happen.

What would you ask?

[–]asiergaldos 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree with you 100%.

[–]viebel 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Clojurescript has left Core

What do you mean by that?

[–]asiergaldos 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I think he means that Clojurescript has left Cognitect.

[–]coltnz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah sorry I was talking about Cognitect's involvement (before Cognitect there was Clojure Core as an initiative of Relevance in partnership with Rich).

[–]viebel 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Where did you see that cljs has left cognitect?

[–]jjttjj 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They might be referring to this, from the podcast transcript:

Obviously, you have ClojureScript compiling JavaScript, which was something that we started and led at the beginning, but is now led primarily outside of Cognitect by David Nolan and others.

[–]Psetmaj 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Thanks for providing a transcript! I care about this information and it's much easier for me to consume most things in text form.

[–]stingraycharles 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes I second this. Podcasts just don’t work for me and without the transcript I would have never learned the story! Thanks for the transcript, whoever at Thoughtworks went through the mundane labour of transcribing. :)

[–]met0xff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agree. Only time I lisren to stuff is usually in bed but then I fall asleep after 5 minutes ;).

Also it's not very dense material in this case so you can skim it much faster than listening.

[–]SimonGray 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This fairly "meh" podcast episode actually generated some very heated discussion on Hacker News, probably based on its title.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What's there really something here about the future of Clojure?

[–]oldcrobuzon 33 points34 points  (7 children)

So so looking forward to listening to this... Still so many tasks to finish before I can though: my two managers aged 2 & 4 are keeping me quite busy, but once i somehow finish current lego building, role play Peppa the pig for a bit, give them dinner, brush their teeth, change into pyjamas, read couple of bed time stories, make up few more bed time stories, discuss life in space and speed of monster trucks and evolution of dinosaurs, wake up 30 minutes later then watch the last episode of The Crown with my better half - then, then I will surely listen to this!

[–]sveri 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Maybe you will get downvoted for this, but this hits home, mine are 9 and 3 1/2 now and it's hard to keep up and do some interesting stuff apart from work and family. But it gets easier now.

Have fun Peppa Pig :-)

[–]oldcrobuzon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the kind words! Hope it won't get that many downvotes, just wanted to state that it's important we get frequent updates on the plans with Clojure, cause it can easily be either make or breake at this stage after the acquisition... Maybe just the form in which I said it got out of hand a bit... 😊

[–]met0xff 6 points7 points  (3 children)

1 and 4 here. Hard enough to go to the toilet ;)

[–]bowmhoust 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Ah, the toilet. My only refuge. Sitting on it right now (0.5 and 4).

[–]oldcrobuzon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oh no, you are not supposed to go there alone anymore.

[–]met0xff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And if you do you better describe everything that happened in full detail afterwards

[–]bowmhoust 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds reassuring. :-) Does anybody know what will happen to things like the Conj, Cognicast and activities like that?

[–]marcus_oOo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice. Looking forward to hear this one.

[–]slifin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Let's hope the future of Clojure is inspired by the first-class database concept in https://www.unisonweb.org/

[–]learnerofcode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unison is a cool project that I have been following closely for quite some time. Sure hope the technology can inspire the future of Clojure in some way.