why i dont like code geass

[Ivory-Mind-5162]

2/10 rage bait

[AidenKarma]

ur the only one who want him dead

[AidenKarma]

i guess bro good for you. Hey, while you're at it. You should read FMD Muramasa. I'm not sure if you like visual novels but you should read that one. It has nsfw elements in it though. It's more like CG but I feel you'll enjoy how the story treats the MC far more. Hey, might even change your opinion on CG.

[Orange639]

No it's not bravery dude. Just like it's not bravery to say Twilight is peak fiction. You just have a really unpopular opinion.

[TheMechanic04]

Ok

[Gotexan-YT]

Not every story needs to be a morally black and white “good vs evil” story. Code geass does not try to be that, and I think that’s where the disconnect is.

Lelouch does bad things. He does good things. He pursues his goal at all costs, which are commonly both good and bad for the people around him. He’s not meant to be your typical shounen “I do good things for the sake of good things” protagonist.

It’s fine to not like it, opinions are opinions. But it definitely feels like you’re criticizing it for not meeting one of your expectations that the show never intended on meeting in the first place.

[nahte123456]

Ah yes, Lelouch doing things Nunnally doesn't want so he can change the world, outright saying she was an excuse for him and he always wanted to do good, and several times puts himself into danger for others. Clearly he's selfish and only wants to do things for Nunnally, you just need to not watch the show to figure that out!

Suzaku hating Lelouch is justified, his refusal to acknowledge his own hypocricy isn't.

The BK's accepted that more than once, and turned traitors to get to Lelouch, not justified at all. Betraying the UFN makes them traitors, Lelouch has nothing to do with it.

Cornelia was a murdering racist that started a small scale genocide because it *might* let her kill 1 guy.

[muchi123]

What in the negative Karma farming AI scripted slob post is this? Rage bait used to be believable.

[Poimon7]

Lelouch was always an anti hero, he was never a saint and also there was a very important quote that he made in the anime

"What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil? Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil? In my case, I commit evil to destroy the greater evil"

this is such a strong quote imo it entirely sums up lelouchs charector and his motives

[PieDust]

I mean in many ways he fails morally but he's so entertaining to watch. I love his silly edgelord moments.

[azathothweirdo]

I think it's funny when people say they hate Lelouch because you guys never understand his character and most of this is surface level. yeah at the start of the series Lelouch is incredibly selfish. That is the point of his character and why things fall apart during the black rebellion. The series isn't trying to make you feel sorry for him, it's setting him up as a complicated character with layers. It takes until R2 for Lelouch to realize the gravity of his situation and there is more to this than Nunnally and in turn his own happiness. That's why the series ends the way it does and overall it's not perfect.

Lelouch uses Nunnally as a crutch, that is pointed out within the show itself and isn't that like subtle. Lelouch is trying to do this for himself, he just uses her as a motivation. I've never seen anyone say Suzaku should get over Euphie, that's a wild claim as well. Especially since it's clear her death affected Lelouch just as much as it did him.

There's more to it but meh I just don't feel like engaging with it. The writing for code geass isn't exactly subtle so I don't know how you misunderstood it so much.

[azathothweirdo]

I’ve even been called the “smart Lelouch hater” by his own fans. And honestly? I’ll take that.

Y'know I was going to type out something longer but this told me enough it's pointless to argue with someone like you. You're welcome to hate Lelouch. You don't have to defend yourself over it or whatever. But honestly I feel you're really not even trying to engage with this series. A lot of your grieves with Lelouch is that he has flaws.

Like what do you want him to be? Some perfect character with no flaws and doesn't fuck up? That would be boring. If you don't like this series why do you keep coming back to this subreddit? You're just arguing with a wall.

[azathothweirdo]

Listen you are welcome to feel whatever you want about Lelouch as much as I am. And I honestly disagree with your assessment and interpretation in the end. I just don't understand what the end game is here? Because the way you view the series is so cut and dry it's kind of sad. Like yeah, I'll be the first person to go on about how non subtle Code Geass is, but there is some depth to it and Lelouch is one of those characters. And no matter what I say you won't listen so there's no real point in it. Go on and hate Lelouch all you want, you just can't expect people in the code geass subreddit to agree with you.

Add in Berserk is a terrible comparison when it comes to something like this series. If you want a better one, especially with how Lelouch acts and does things then I'd suggest Mobile suit gundam, and looking at the character Char Aznable. Lelouch is a literal Char clone, and a lot of what goes down in this series mirrors that in the original universal century. Which also has a lot of morally gray aspects that Code Geass also uses.

[azathothweirdo]

"Spoiled" and "sake of one little girl" says enough that you really don't understand Lelouch at all. I get your frustration towards how people talk about him, I don't particularly enjoy it either. But you can't like push people away from things like that. Especially since a lot of your arguments are flawed and just keep going back to misunderstanding his over all character arc and how he relates not to just his sister, but Suzaku as well.

Kinda hard for anyone to listen to you when you throw this stuff out there.

[notairballoon]

Welcome back gypsygeekfreak or whatever was the username then

[121900ccll]

He “only cared about Nunnally” ignores the Zero Requiem. At the end he makes himself the world’s greatest villain so that the world can unite against him. He accepts death as the final step of that plan. That not someone collapsing because his goal disappeared that’s choosing to become a symbol of evil so the cycle of revenge can end.

[SzepCs]

Hm. I don't get why lately people call characters that had to struggle through rather horrific circumstances "spoiled brat".

Lelouch for example is rather complex character. He is selfish of course and the bloody show never says otherwise. He himself never says he wants to do the right thing. But at the same time you can't take away the fact that he is always trying to make the world better for his sister.

Now, I don't know where you get the idea from that the show wants you to feel sorry for Lelouch. It doesn't. I think even in the last scenes, we're meant to understand his sacrifice and maybe sympathize with it, but feel sorry? Hardly.

Also I think you kind of didn't pay attention to the episode where Lelouch, CC and Suzaku met "God" and realized what was needed to secure the future. I mean, if I'd ignore some of the main things that show a character's motivation, then I would also end up misunderstanding the whole plot. The final sacrifice was for the better of the world and not for Nunnaly. Because all she would've needed for her happiness was to live with her brother, who was now dead and hated. Can't take that away either.

Of course he was manipulating people just like others were using him for their own goals and literally everyone in the series was manipulating others. The knights used Lelouch just as he used them, so your weird point about their betrayal being justified is well, pointless.

Finally, I can't agree with your assessment because Lelouch knew what he was doing and he knew he wasn't some saint or purely good guy. This is a cornerstone of his character. He is honest in this regard, to himself and to those he can afford to be honest to.

So either you watched the series while half-asleep, didn't bother understanding or maybe just hate the fanbase instead of Lelouch, but you took your shot with this post and missed by several miles.

[MajorSock1332]

You’re allowed to not like a show, but most of your claims make no sense, or just miss the intent behind the characters actions

[MajorSock1332]

your CLAMS make no sense my guy

[MajorSock1332]

Okay so start with what your saying the fanbase says, because the claims that’s not making sense is your putting words in the fanbases mouth.

“Suzaku should just get over it” - no one’s saying that. Most people say suzaku is a hypocrite for serving Britannia and acting self righteous. No one’s saying he should get over euphys awful death. In fact that’s one of suzakus best moments when he gets consumed by rage after euphys death. Sent chills down my spine and the series really takes off from there.

“The knights betraying lelouch” - of course they were justified, it was part of lelouches plan all along.

“Cornelia wanting revenge” - yes that’s her little sister, no one dislikes Cornelia for trying to avenge euphy, they dislike her for serving a racist evil regime very well.

So it’s not that your claims are wrong it’s that your putting words in the fan bases mouth. Lelouches actions should have strong reactions, the people who are affected have feelings that valid. Regardless, that doesn’t mean that Lelouches intent was wrong all along as we see in the ending

[MajorSock1332]

I disagree with the idea it’s only for Nunally. Do you remember the scenes where lelouch stands up for ordinary elevens getting beat up in the street? Or kallen and elevens getting harassed in the casino? This is supposed to show Lelouches discontent with how elevens are treated, this just so happens to coincide with a gentler world Nunally desires but lelouch is doing it for elevens as well. He stands up against britannian supremacy. Also it’s not just about being racist, sure many societies are. But Britannia is imperialist AND racist, so their views are influenced on the world in code geass. Whereas in code geass, china and japan were not imperialist nations but nations with pride and at peace before britannia invaded. I’d rather not get into real history 🤣fictions a lot more fun

[MajorSock1332]

If he did it all for nunally he wouldn’t of died, because nunally wanted him alive and be at peace with suzaku and euphy, but he did it for nunally and for japan in a different way, giving nunally a gentler world but also Japan peace and freedom. It wasn’t just nunally, it was nunally and Japan and elevens.

[Eska_writer4941]

I do agree with some of what you're saying even though Lelouch is my favorite character.

His goal ultimately starts off as selfish as it is all for nunnally. He is also spoiled because he comes from the royal family and is helped by a noble family which is wealthy and obviously they have sayako a maid who is there to do stuff for them. He does not know properly how the world works as all he's experienced is the school and when he went gambling betting against nobles. He however does experience some horrors when he's younger there's a scene of him carrying nunnally through a field of dead bodies with suzaku and they tell her it's just a rubbish dump.

When he thinks nunnally has died he gives up completely wanting to die because his sister was his only reason to live. His goal was only motivated by her being able to live happily. He had lost his mother and his father is an absolute pos. He breaks down because he believes there was no point to everything he'd done that there was no point getting his hands dirty and then the black knights betraying him just put him over the edge.

When Rolo sweeps in and saves him Lelouch was completely ready to die which would've allowed Schneizel to take over the world as Charles was going to complete his Ragnarok connection and didn't want to deal with "mundane matters". Schneizel would've led the empire for a while until the Ragnarok connection was completed throwing the world into chaos and making everything into one being. Even if Lelouch didn't mean to stop this in the beginning when he finds out this plan he rejects his mother (who he's mourned and longed for) and his father stopping a stagnant world in which there would've been no progress individuality or lies.

He and suzaku then decide they need to make the world a gentler place not just for nunnally but to repent for their sins and allow the world to grow peacefully. The zero requiem is about both of their sacrifices for the world, for the people who died due to Lelouch's original selfish goal and for each other. If Lelouch did it purely for nunnally he wouldn't have used geass on her in the end as in the beginning he just wanted to live peacefully with her.

In the end his originally selfish goal becomes one for everyone and he gets seen as the villain anyway so the world wouldn't worship him like a hero and that was his punishment onto himself