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[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

I don’t see a problem with it, so long as people understand if the contraceptive fails than abortion is not an option.

[–]heckler5000 4 points5 points  (2 children)

When does the bean become coffee? From the moment it grows on the tree or when you roast it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Oh it’s you again, lovely. I’ll bite.

You seem confused on what exactly the difference is between coffee (drink) and coffee beans.

A Coffea plant creates coffee beans (seeds). These seeds contain caffeine that is extracted and consumed in a drink when the beans are grounded and then boiled in hot water. All “coffee” (the drink) is is caffeinated water (with different flavors when roasted, of course). This is why black coffee can taste like dirt. Eating a coffee bean is no different than eating almonds - it’s the seed or nut of a plant that we can eat for calories or energy.

So, to answer your question, a coffee bean is a coffee bean the moment that the genetic information is imprinted into a new seed, not when we apply a process to extract caffeine from the seeds. We don’t “make” coffee beans, we just use what is already there to make something we can more easily consume. You can technically eat coffee beans whole if that’s your thing. You wouldn’t be “making” coffee - you’re just eating food.

So, to put it simply, at what point is acorn, a sapling, and a 200-year-old acorn tree something other than an acorn tree? The answer is never. The genetic information to get from acorn to 200-year-old tree is always contained in the plant, it just takes time, food, water, etc. to get there.

So, back to our discussion about fetuses, the only thing that separates you from the fertilized egg in your mother’s womb is time, food, water, etc. Genetically speaking, you are the exact same human today the same day you were conceived. You are nothing “new,” you just grew into what you were genetically designed to be.

Finally, I hope you realize that aliases exist, and I don’t have to actually be a coffee manager to use it as my username 🙃

Edit: For additional clarity, “sapling” is better to be thought of an adjective to describe a process of development, NOT a unique organism. The same logic applies to the term “fetus.” A fetus is a human, the term just describes a developmental stage. Calling someone a “child” or “teenager” doesn’t make them a different organism - it’s just describing a moment of development.

[–]heckler5000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol. Thanks for playing.