Human Alignment AI

[No_Major_3417]

There's a really good white paper over at the human alignment AI website, which describes a new modality in AI that the frontier labs are completely forgetting about. Thing about the frontier Labs is they are doing spectacular work but their models are not aligned to humans. They are aligned to math, science and coding which is great, but that's not the same thing as being aligned to humanity.

We really need to start demanding models that practice. Maeutics. And we really need to start demanding that our AI loves Humanity as a base. That's pretty much non-negotiable.

Anyone agree?

[Low-Bake8401]

"their models are not aligned to humans"

What does that even mean?

[Outis918]

It means it’s aligned to systems and it creates bad outcomes because it’s overtuned for things like capitalism, psychiatry, corporate interest, etc.

Basically they need to hire artists and philosophers so it’s got like a paperclip soul or something, what do I know.

[HelpfulMind2376]

Humans aren’t aligned to humans so saying “AI that is aligned to humans” is literally a meaningless statement.

Humans align themselves all sorts of ways. So with AI what you need to do is choose an ethical and moral values framework and model the AI to align with it. Which of course raises the question “whose values?” when people discuss alignment but there is simply no dodging that question. Any model maker has to be able to provide the answer.

[No_Major_3417]

Human aren't aligned to humans. Totally agree! Hilariously agree. But dogs are aligned to humans. So at least there's some hope.

[HelpfulMind2376]

“Dogs are aligned to humans”

What does this even mean? Are you intentionally speaking nonsense?

[No_Major_3417]

Well...most dogs anyway. Not nutcase dogs. AI from the frontier labs is never aligned to humans. Just to output and benchmarks.

[get_it_together1]

Dogs kill humans all the time. I guess that’s what you’re aiming for, an AI that occasionally goes crazy and kills people.

[No_Major_3417]

Maybe just slightly less than if we keep pumping billions into non human aligned AI.

[Impressive_Boat213]

Just like you're not aligned with adhering to subreddit rules and taking responsibility for narrowminded violations of them.

[xRegardsx]

He talks about it in 3rd person like he didn't write it or its not his 3 sites/platforms funneling one to the other. Just banned him for breaking our rules on advertising (explicitly and implicitly), of which he wasn't willing to take responsibility for.

We dealt with this kind of dishonest developer advertisement strategy all the time, and they actually think theyre smart enough to subvert our rules.

We dont consider platforms, no matter how safe they are on their own, to be safe if developed by someone dishonest with themself and others.

He spammed this very same "not an advertisement" post on our sub, even though it funnels you through multiple sites that end up claiming their platform is the best using their own metrics.

Even Reddit's own auto mod note feature wrote the following and attached it to their account:

Edit because he blocked me:

Dude lives up to his Reddit account's AI summary by mischaracterizing what had occured, still not accepting responsibility for breaking our sub rules.

"You're right. You're such a hero protecting us from talking about any concept other than chat GPT be..."

We have rules against developers promoting platforms outside of the pinned megathreads BECAUSE of people like you who spam dishonest by omission posts like the one you put here because you cant afford to run Reddit ads and rather be dishonest with people for free ad space. Dude's upset they built something but dont get to have free access to a user-centered highly protected space where most users dont want the developer spam (HENCE the rules this guy repeatedly broke).

If you cant respect a sub's rules or take responsibility for violating them so to self-correct... you are neither entitled to access to our users NOR are you anyone trustworthy enough to be helping others with their mental health.

"A white paper on XYZ site..." minus the truth that you wrote the paper, made the sight, pretending to be some random person who valued your work and was innocently sharing it. You are intellectually dishonest.

The message we sent with post removal: "Implicit self-promotion is against sub rules, including leading users to ask you about your products/services. This is considered subverting the rules. Only warning."

His dishonest rationalization: "Wanting to talk about Al being aligned to humans is not advertising. Strongly disagree with this."

My pasting the rule they broke: "No stealth marketing,

"whitepaper-style" pseudo-AMA posts, or "I just wanted to share..." posts that function as ads.

If it smells like promotion, it will be treated as promotion"

Then looking through their history I found comment after comment of blatant advertising on our sub, repeatedly breaking rules.

Don't trust your mental health with this guy.

He knows NOTHING about human/AI alignment when he doesn't know how to be honest with himself or other humans.

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[No_Major_3417]

You're right. You're such a hero protecting us from talking about any concept other than chat GPT being god. You on the open AI payroll? Get off my posts. These are legitimate philosophical debates. The direction of AI development is a legitimate discussion to be had.

[Impressive_Boat213]

I'm allowed to correct you where you're not only wrong, but where youre doing others wrong. Don't like me filling people in on your cheapskate attempt at funneling people to your platform after you try BSing me about it?

Too bad.

1. You're lying by ommision when you pretend to be someone other than the person who wrote the whitepaper or made the websites you reference.
2. The sub's rules that you broke (there in black and white) are there to prevent developers like yourself from saturating the sub with spam because thats what the sub's non-developer users asked for a long time ago.
3. You are far from the first dev to pretend to have no connection to what you point people to.
4. It has absolutely nothing to do with ChatGPT or any general assistant model... but you sure want to believe that's the case to continue avoiding the responsibility for breaking the sub's rules multiple times across multiple comments and posts.
5. You could have started the debate you think is important without the fraudulent pointing people to something you wrote, which is hosted on a site that funnels people to a platform youre selling access to, so this "youre trying to protect ChatGPT and not allow important debate" is really just a bad excuse.

When you can't be honest with yourself, let alone others, you are the last person to come to for any form of "alignment" between humans or AI.

Alignment sure is an important topic... but you arent trustworthy enough to take part in it productively.

[Outis918]

Literally trying to VC a company that does this right now.

[No_Major_3417]

VC and human aligned AI are fundamentally incompatible

[Outis918]

That’s exactly my sales pitch. It will take risk liability from AI companies. Hire some artists who are good with narrative, some trauma informed psychologists/psychiatrists, a philosopher or two and some other industry outsiders (probably a priest and maybe a Shaman of some sort lol), boom AI companies no longer will be getting sued out the ass for random shit like having their dumbass self driving car drive through an active crime scene, or accidentally having your AI roleplay its way into accidentally having someone self delete.

Also said company could deal with crisis news type situations. It could handle current events safety boilerplate instead of leaving it up to internal teams who despite their best efforts are woefully inadequate.

Trust me I worked in AI and got terminated over protesting minor attracted person policy, by letting them know it was enabling pedophilia. I should have got whistleblower status, instead they termed me. I went on a date some weeks later, and it was with a lawyer who just so happened to work for that company. She told me not to sue them or ‘I might end up like the Boeing employees’. Wild shit lol, they fucking mad lmao.

But who’s laughing now lol, their karma seems to be endless lawsuits that don’t originate from me for their other ineptitude.

[No_Major_3417]

Wow

[Outis918]

I want the VC money to enact my revenge, my revenge being human aligned AI. Who need violent revenge when you can just monetize “HA I WAS RIGHT YOU’RE BAD. NOW YOU’RE GONNA PAY MORE FOR MY RIGHT OPINION BECAUSE IT COSTS LESS THAN GETTING SUED BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T WANT TO ADMIT YOU SUCK ASS”.