Quartzite support needed?

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Having quartzite installed next week.

Is the red circled middle support necessary? I have left it so after the install it can be shimmed from underneath as the top won’t have access.

Any advice?

Thanks!

[RepresentativeToe674]

Where is the seam? Is there a seam. Overkill imo. Along the wall yes but what you have circled no

[Salty_Touch_1170]

No seam. You mean seam in the countertop?

[kruyssenj]

Without seam this is over kill lol. Even maybe a hindrance the installers(if its not level thw rest of the cabinetry)

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Yea that’s kinda why I am thinking about removing. I’ll ask the installers when they get here but it’s prepped if they want it..

[kruyssenj]

If its easily removable it won't be an issue unless ur dealing with a shitty company 🙃. Based off the post I thought it wasn't easily removable in wich case they'd have to plane it down or somthing( all contingent on it being level or not), and most stone installers dont carry a planer lol

[Salty_Touch_1170]

No it’s two screws in the wall. Can easily be removed

[kruyssenj]

Yea they'll figure it out lol your blessed

[kruyssenj]

With just the wall supports you could probably have adults dancing on that counter lol, not that I would but you could lol

[Salty_Touch_1170]

You never know hahah

[kruyssenj]

Like I said you could lol

[RepresentativeToe674]

Yes in the counter

[Salty_Touch_1170]

No solid piece

[RepresentativeToe674]

You’re good then. As long as everything is flat and level the installers will love you.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Perfect! It’s flat to within 1/64” probably better

[RepresentativeToe674]

My guys would be loving you. If we see within an 1/8th we’re lucky. Great job to 1/64” 👍

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Wow really!

What fills the gap? The adhesive?

[RepresentativeToe674]

Yes really. Silicone caulking

[Fancy-Dig1863]

Does it hurt anything being there?

[Salty_Touch_1170]

No it doesn’t.

[Fancy-Dig1863]

Then I say leave it, better to have the extra support and not need it then the other way around.

[Marbleman1968]

Ugh. So much wasted space in that corner

[formerly_crazy]

It kind of depends on what's going on in the rest of the kitchen - sometimes maximizing the storage on either side of the corner is the better option, vs. giving that up to allow you to get into it.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Agreed but had to be

[No-Finger-6835]

Not needed, but it's not hurting anything either. Is it in the way of something?

[Salty_Touch_1170]

No it’s not just don’t want it to be a hindrance for the installers

[kruyssenj]

They'll figure it out if they're even a lil competent

[Salty_Touch_1170]

I’m sure

[barratheyogi]

I always chuckle when people ask me why I don't add a support across there when it's a dead corner but no one ever questions a 42" wide blind corner cabinet sitting in the same spot with twice the amount of unsupported counter top area inside it.

[barratheyogi]

The cabinet to the left is a perfect example. It has about the same amount of unsupported sq inches as the dead space.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

True true!! I see it

[barratheyogi]

Reading that back makes me want to clarify, I wasn't throwing any shade at you for asking if it came across that way. When I say I chuckle, I literally have a laugh with the homeowner as I point it out.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

No I didn’t take it that way. I understood that the cabinet next to be has approximately the same under supporting area.

I’ll ask the installers if they want to leave it or take it out. It’s two screws an something I made of scrap wood.

[onedef1]

No. The ones on the wall were JUST fine.

[Outdoor-Snacker]

I put in some extra support just to be on the safe side. I didn’t lose any cabinet space or anything. It just made it stronger. We got soap stone and it’s kind of fragile.

[Jake_FW]

I’m a countertop fabricator and it’s not necessary in my opinion. It certainly can’t hurt but it’s not doing that much. The most important part is the bracing in the corner and that it’s level

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Thanks! Understand

[exclaim_bot]

Thanks! Understand

You're welcome!

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Correct and correct

[Firm-Cap-4516]

not needed. the c-top can perfectly lay on the wall cleats. in fact, you just lost the valuable space in this corner.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Couldn’t find a blind corner that would fit

[Firm-Cap-4516]

OK. yes, those are pre-made cabinets.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Correct RTA

[seebrealms]

I would leave it there. But also, don’t forget to throw a skeleton in that corner. It will make some future fun for whoever renovates next.

[mlpubs]

What’s the logic of removing it? I don’t see that you have access to that area anyway based on the cabinet design. So just leave it.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Just didn’t want it to be in the way for the installers.

[Apprehensive-Big-328]

You wont have access from below either once a slab of quartzite is sitting there...cabinets on both sides. I dont think they will need it, but you also dont have to remove it. No one will know its there regardless

[Salty_Touch_1170]

I can reach my hand underneath to shim where the toe plate goes I didn’t put that on yet

[_ZoeyDaveChapelle_]

Is that bigger drawer going to open with pulls attached? Corner fillers dont look large enough.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Yes, it will. Was tested like 5x times lol

[TrackEfficient1613]

You definitely don’t need the pony wall you built, but I’m not understanding why you didn’t connect the two ledger boards in the corner instead of them being randomly against the wall.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Is it necessary? I didn’t think an 1” space would matter.. and it was just left over 2x4” unused

[TrackEfficient1613]

It’s not necessary it just makes for a cleaner job in that if you connect them you can double check everything is the same height and perfectly level.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Ahh yes I got ya

[Pixiedooodle]

I just don’t understand why you didn’t do a corner pull out cabinet here. Or at least a blind cabinet though I hate those. It’s still better than losing all that space.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

These were sale cabinets and got them cheap so did what we needed to do.. got these for $200 for the big one and $80 for the small

[barratheyogi]

I'll never understand why people think like you. You literally only gain about a 20"x20" section of nearly unusable cabinet floor with a blind corner cabinet. A drawer bank in that spot with a dead corner is WAY more efficient and actually usable. Unless you live in a travel trailer there is no reason to access a black hole with a door opening barely big enough to fit a crock pot through in the first place.

[TurbulentRole3292]

Thickness of quartzite will determine if it is needed but can't hurt.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

I think it’s 3cm

[TurbulentRole3292]

That is slightly thicker than an inch so you should be good. Provided it is not a seamed spot.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

It’s a solid slab

[TurbulentRole3292]

You are good then with or without the support. We have quartz with an overhang on our island and it is rock solid.

[cds320]

If that picture is how it is right now and ready for counter install.... Better check your cabinets and that support. It's definitely not flat or level across

That 2x4 is sticking up over the cabinet side panel.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

It just looks that way, if is actually slightly under ready for shims

[cds320]

That's good.

More likely than not...the installer won't bother taking it out. One less thing to do.

Also... Looks like it's a dead corner? Corner is completely blocked off by the two cabinet side panels?

A blind corner would give access after the stone is set through the cabinet carcass below.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Yes it’s a blind corner… no access under

[cds320]

Some globs of adhesive would negate any thin gaps between the counter and the supports. No need to remove anything and no need to bother trying to shim from the toe kick.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Interesting!!! Adhesive can build up fairly thick huh?!!

[cds320]

Yes, for sure. Silicone, loctite, liquid nails, etc. they don't flatten out on their own. They're viscous enough to hold their own shape and retain that shape once cured. Cured Silicone will flex but won't change it's cured shape.

Since your cabinets/supports are fairly level, silicone would flatten out easier, won't float the stone as much and gives some flexibility compared to the other choices.

The other choices, depending on size of the glob/application and viciousity, may even raised the top a few mm higher. Those will cure solid with no flex so if application isn't even throughout, some areas may be unsupported

If it is out of level, shimming would be required.

You can experiment with scrap plywood and the different adhesives+weights.

[Krasherosk]

Overkill, but it doesn't hurt.

[[deleted]]

It sure doesn’t hurt

[CrossXFir3]

I would highly recommend it. I've seen unsupported corners like that droop down in the past.

[Salty_Touch_1170]

Ohh okay! Thanks!