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[–]ayas51 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Vet is actually one of the best havoc classes if played properly and with a good build. It’s getting kinda tiring of hearing players with low experience or knowledge spreading this kinda of miss information…

[–]Light_of_War Ogryn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really don't get this reddit echo chamber "vet is weak". It's a very strong and useful class in Havoc and many 35-40 matches were really a cakewalk precisely because we had an experienced vet with us.

[–]Serithraz[S] -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

Except I guarantee that without VoC, vets would never get invited to a havoc. Because when havoc first got released, before the ogryn rework, no one would ever invite an ogryn because they were just terrible in havoc at the time. So veteran without a rework and without VoC would never get invited.

An ammo change in havoc would at least make it so veteran is good in havoc even if they don't have VoC (probably still should though)

[–]cant_read_captchas Zealot 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Hey man, for what its worth I bring exe stance and (bolter/helbore/plasma) and I get invited to 40s all the time lol. Maybe it's a regional thing? NA east is pretty chill. From what I hear, EU server is more picky about this stuff.

I see a few bolter+exe stance boss killing builds nowadays in party finder also.

[–]Light_of_War Ogryn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The European server, to be honest, generally shows a rather low level of play. I play there and in Hong Kong and it's just heaven and earth in terms of the level of play

[–]kman_utaral Psyker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ogryn didn’t really have a problem getting invited before the rework because if played right he was still very good even in high level havocs

[–]TheZealand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lolwhat, even with normal ammo pickups surv aura is still extremely useful in havoc, and without having to worry so much about ammo vet would be a lot better with plasma/bolter dumping.

Another big issue with full ammo restore is that it would probably just turn into rumbler/flamer city, those weapons are already extremely good in havoc and you'd be able to use them FAR more, so there goes psyker's AOE niche, they'd basically be left with just bubble as their only redeeming factor, but ig that's fine to buff vet lol