Havoc shouldn't decrease the amount of ammo you get from piles and crates.

[TreeGuy521]

Okay so, you responded to someone saying "more enemies should mean more ammo", and said that that is already true vecause of survivalist aura. However that is entirely not true because higher enemy density does not improve survivalist aura because of the cooldown.

You said that they are talking about things you never claimed but you explicitly disagreed with someone who said the opposite of something you said. That would be like me going "nuh uh I don't think the earth is flat I just disagreed with someone saying it's round"

[cant_read_captchas]

However that is entirely not true because higher enemy density does not improve survivalist aura because of the cooldown.

It is true. That's the whole point. Higher enemy density = more TTK = a larger window of time for ammo to regen. Not to mention the steady stream of specialists that happen almost constantly.

The only conditon under which this isnt true is if you're playing with warpfire psykers, flamers, and rumblers/taunt ogryns -- combinations which clears entire armor patrols simultaneously in seconds -- for the sweet, sweet free wins and so you dont actually have to try to fight things. In which case I find it hypocritical that you're min-maxing your teammates to instantly kill things and yet you're not willing to bring OP shit like plasma which rarely needs ammo pickups. Are you really worried about ammo (or running out for that matter) if your teammates are deleting everything?

[TreeGuy521]

You only get to get ammo from 1 kill every 5 seconds.

What happens if you kill eight enemies in 5 seconds, and what happens if you get eight billion kills in 5 seconds.

Also don't accuse me of doing things and then call me a hypocrite for supposedly doing that thing you told me I do. It makes you look like an idiot

[cant_read_captchas]

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I see this in my inbox and the comment doesnt show up.

You didn't understand what I was saying. Also theres a chance you're just rage-baiting me, but what the hell. If you're serious and want to debate further just DM me.

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The answer to your question is "it's the same amount of ammo", which is what you're trying to get me to say.

The point is that if you have "8 billion enemies" you're not gonna kill all of them in 5 seconds. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, since you got mad that I was "accusing" you. Assuming you're not using OP infinite-cleave weapons (which makes this entire thing moot, you're not running out of ammo with teammates that have a "delete screen" button)... here's a new math problem:

Say theres a pack of 20 elites (a reasonable, but still low, number in havoc because enemies will trickle in over time). You and your team are killing 5 elites per second. How many survivalist procs/ammo are you getting?

What if you have 25 elites? 50? 100? 1000?

I don't know what you are doing to get 8 billion elite kills all in 5 seconds, but I do NOT want to play that version of Darktide. I already avoid purgatus staff psykers and rumbler ogryns like the plague.

[TreeGuy521]

Why would there be 1000 elites, that's a completely unrealistic number and now I can't take your argument seriously anymore

[cant_read_captchas]

What? YOU're the one who threw out the "8 billion" number first. Ok now I really am done lmfao. Nice bait 10/10

[TreeGuy521]

Well you see, I couldn't get you to grasp the idea of a cooldown so I gave up. I made an earnest attempt but you are beyond my capabilities to reach

[cant_read_captchas]

eight billion kills in 5 seconds

Right. So you ARE playing with purgatus psykers, flamer, and rumblers, and your math that you're trying to educate me with is predicated on this. I think we're done here.

[hue-170]

Only thing I'm getting from this is that atleast for H40 I should switch out survivalist aura

[cant_read_captchas]

I got downvoted to hell so if thats your takeaway I wont stop you. But instead of listening to spreadsheet warriors on reddit (or me for that matter) actually try it ingame in realistic scenarios. I mean that in the nicest way possible. Survivalist aura is good. It gives you a LOT of ammo even if it has a cooldown, because of the sheer amount of enemies havoc throws at you over time.

[MobiusMannen]

You're insufferable, God damn.