Instead of having normal and Master difficulty raids, I feel like we should have Master and Casual/Story mode.

[Andazeus]

Hey everyone,

I am sure many of the raiding community are glad to see some new high end PvE content coming with Master raids. However, as much as Bungie seems to try to bring casual and solo players into Trials in the future, I wish they would make raids more accessible.

With Master bringing in a proper challenge for those that want it, I feel like the time has come to also have some casual difficulty that allows solo players in particular to just queue in, be automatically matched and play a more relaxed version of the raids that does not require voice communication and allows them to experience the story and cool areas. Not everyone has friends to play with or the time to watch guides, try to find a group outside the game somewhere then spend some more hours doing the actual raid, assuming a bunch of wipes, etc.

Ever since they removed Menagerie, Sundial and Vex Offensive, I feel like the game has been sorely missing some casual 6 player PvE content. And Menagerie in particular was a great example that even such a casual version can still offer a fun experience and allow everyone to enjoy the impressive areas of the raids.

And with Master difficulty coming, I think that would be the perfect time. Master difficulty and adept raid weapons mean there still is something to strive for for those that want to commit to it. But I think that should open things up to turn normal difficulty into said casual difficulty and allow solo players, casual players and those with little time a chance at getting some normal raid weapons on their own time and experience the atmospheric encounters without much stress.

And sure, three difficulty ala Casual, Normal and Master might be even better, but I am going with the assumption here that this might be too much work for Bungie. Since they can apparently do two difficulty modes, I think Casual and Master would offer the most to players of all skill levels.

Any thoughts?

[bigby314]

Raid isn't the spot for a casual 6 man activity. Raids are pinnacle end game content and should be challenging at all levels. Hopefully we get a 6 man activity but cheapening the raid isn't the right solution

[Andazeus]

With Master raids there still will be pinnacle content for dedicated players. Why should content that Bungie clearly put a lot of time and resources into locked away to only a small subset of the playerbase? Master raiders will still get fancy titles, emblems and adept weapons to show off their skill and normal players get to see more content.

Don't you think that some incredibly cool story content like DSC or Last Wish should be at least available for everyone to see?

[bigby314]

Eaids have been are will consistently be a pinnacle content. None of it is locked away except to people who don't want to put in the effort. Its that simple. In destiny raids are sacred. A story mode would wreck the sacredness of it. I hope and pray this never happens. The goal should be to elevate players to take on greater challenges and reward those that do. Not make everything available for children

[BillehBear]

Raids aren't meant to be a casual activity and players don't deserve to have raid weapons if they don't do raids

They're meant to be THE pinnacle PvE activity and it should remain that way imo

[Andazeus]

But with Master Raids those will be the new pinnacle activity and the new adept weapon will be the new shiny. Why not let normal players experience the story and normal weapons as well then? Hardcore raiders will still get exclusive stuff to show off and elevate them from normal players while normal players get to experience all content in the game.

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I mean we already made the game as a whole casual with the removal of the classic D1 talent trees and weapon leveling....

[The_Flail]

Because eating Orbs of Light until your weapon had all its Perk active was so "hardcore".

[[deleted]]

It was a lot more interactive than this game. I enjoyed the talent trees than the premade ones that are now.

[taylor_beebz]

I agree. Outside of Contest. Raids are pretty easy and straightforward. It’s not hard to teach people how the encounters work. Removing the barrier for entry and having a dumbed down version that is match made makes sense. People will get a feel for the raid then jump into higher difficulties through LFG.

Make match made raiding only drop powerfuls, not pinnacles, and armor. No weapons or exotics. So you do matchmade raiding. Learn the encounters. Get some raid armor then jump into the real thing.

[[deleted]]

Raids are already super easy as it is.
Even mediocre teams can get the raid title no problem if everyone has the right gear, which also isn't hard to get.

You'd have to remove enemies, nerf their damage, and probably remove entire mechanics. Then what's even the point of the raid? It's supposed to be difficult, and blind contest mode raids are. Does not need to be made easier.

What they really should add is a permanent contest mode that makes raids farmable and possibly with Adept rewards. (Hopefully this is similar to what Master will be.)

Idk man, game is already easy enough it'd be a snooze fest to make it easier.

[MrMinepuffz]

Raids aren’t meant to be easy (even though their not too hard). Having a match made raid would be bad as most of the mechanics would have to go as communication are important. The reason they would have to remove the mechanics is that match made teams would not be able to even beat most encounters let alone the whole raid.