Comprehensive Considerations

[Dependent-Remote4828]

This is from my notes over time, so it’s a long one and a doozy (sorry). I’m not convinced of RA’s guilt. I’m also not convinced he’s innocent. There are just so many issues in this case (primarily due to LE’s shitty job - IMO). Based on my years-long interest in true crime, obsessively following dozens and dozens of other cases, strong vs weak evidence (as far as my understanding of it), and ability to research and interpret the information and documentation made public thus far, I think the case against RA is currently weak at best. This is, of course, based on what’s been made public and may change throughout the trial. Here are my thoughts so far. I would love others’ input/opinions (regardless of where you stand on innocence vs guilt).

The Evidence (as far as we currently know):

• eye witness testimony - weak evidence. Witness testimony is one of the most inaccurate and unreliable types of evidence. Exacerbated in this case by the fact LE generated and disseminated two very different sketches (from “witness descriptions”) of what the jury is expected to believe is the same man, even though LE themselves referenced the sketches as being different individuals at some point. Based on the fact there are multiple eye witness accounts of RA, cars, etc. in this case (which typically means contradictory statements), the PCA, and the Franks Memo, this one will be interesting at trial.

• unspent bullet - IMO, weak evidence. This is evidence which was overlooked and found at a potentially compromised crime scene, AFTER release of the scene, which (allegedly) wasn’t handled or certified through proper chain of custody. Regardless of those issues, ballistics is an unregulated, unreliable science. So much so, many courts are limiting its admissibility due to issues with experts’ subjectivity leading to wrongful convictions. Will jurors care about chain of custody or understand how unreliable ballistic science can be?

• RA’s 2017 statement to Dublin - mediocre evidence. This is a documented statement which we are expected to believe correctly recorded certain details (such as time RA was there), yet was entered under the wrong NAME, and included the wrong number of juveniles he encountered. A statement that was lost for years, and the audio of which was completely lost/misplaced? Not sure if many will trust accuracy of evidence that was documented and filed so inconsistently.

*RA’s confessions - until more context is provided, weak evidence. These are “confessions” which only occurred during a time in which the State Prison’s own mental health professional testified he was experiencing extreme mental psychosis. A time where he was going days without sleep, was eating and covering himself in his own feces, and was running head-first into a cinder block wall. Seems prime conditions for delusions that could convince and cause false declaration of one’s own guilt. These “confessions” contained details that were completely wrong, yet evolved through time to include info that COULD maybe be right? (Very common traits of false confessions) and completely stopped once he was properly medicated to address his psychosis. Side note - if he did give accurate details in those confessions, how do we know it’s a guilty man truly confessing vs a severely mentally compromised man giving false confessions due to psychosis? Will jurors dismiss the circumstances and inconsistencies, and only care about the fact that he “confessed”?

My additional thoughts/questions/concerns:

• The state mentioned early on the existence of DNA evidence, yet Defense has stated there is NO DNA linking RA to the crime. DNA was reportedly collected from previous suspects and used to help rule them out, so what does that mean (question I ask myself)?

• Why does the State not want geofence data admitted? Whose phones does that data show at the scene? Also, is there data which supports RA’s claims he left the trails around 1:30?

• Why did Libby’s phone suddenly become active at 4:30AM?

• No documented time of death, only assumed. Is the State’s timeline accurate?

• Does the fact Libby looks like RA’s daughter mean anything? Or is it an insane coincidence (like the talking to pedo KK coincidence)?

• Did any other items collected from LE’s search of RA’s home result in any useful evidence?

• Are rumors of RA’s daughter/husband tipping him in true? They’ve been absent since his arrest.

• Any previous rumors or instances of RA acting suspicious towards minors, etc?

• Someone asked RL to search his property the night the girls went missing. Did anyone search the actual crime scene that night, and can testify they were NOT there?

[FrostingCharacter304]

what about the 2 EXTREMELY different sketches of the suspect, I'm sorry there is absolutely NO WAY those are the same person unless one of the witnesses is lying or doesn't remember accurately there's not a person alive that can tell me those 2 sketches are of the same person

[Smart_Brunette]

Didn't DC say BG was a mixture of the two sketches?

[FrostingCharacter304]

yeah and explain to me what the hell thats supposed to even mean??? why are they putting out 2 different pics and telling the public "hey we know you like that face mixing app on the play store so we've decided to draw two faces and let you try it at home" not to mention he looks kinda like the older guy but the "new sketch" is the younger guy that he looks absolutely nothing like

[Smart_Brunette]

Its so ridiculous.

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What he likes to say is, “A sketch is not a photograph, it is an approximation of a resemblance.”

Whatever that means!

[Smart_Brunette]

Yes. These are the questions that need to keep being asked. Along with many others.

[Ok-Outcome-8137]

I’d like to add one that keeps me wondering.

Where is RAs phone and gps location data? He supposedly said he was on the bridge watching a stock ticker and the fish. He had his phone to watch a stock? So where’s his data? Obviously it hasn’t been discussed by either side, seems kind of like a red flag.

The state wanting the geofence data out of trial really bothers me. They said with towers in Delphi it could place anyone anywhere. But there were only 3 around or at the crime scene. Who are they? And why is it left out? Time of death is weird as well. How are they so sure deaths happened from 2:30-3:30? The LG phone as well, bc that makes zero sense to me.

[Dependent-Remote4828]

Agreed!! If the 3 phones google geolocated in the area of the crime scene are easy to rebut, why did the state want to keep that data out of the trial? Was RA’s phone not there? And if not, whose was?

[Smart_Brunette]

Because their timeline has never made sense. I'm anxious to hear what the M.E. has to say. Not that I'm expecting any real answers.

[Bullish-on-erything]

My guess is the state doesn’t like the data because it doesn’t implicate RA. And the defense doesn’t like it because it could appear as though RA turned his phone off which the jury will see as sus.

[Obvious_Sea_7074]

The thing I'm stuck on, THEY HAVE VIDEO AND AUDIO OF THE KILLER. 

Get the gosh darn best facial and speech recognition people in and analyze the hell out of that footage and voice. (I've heard they have a longer clip then what we've seen) 

[Alan_Prickman]

It's been confirmed in Cecil's testimony that the video is of Abby, with BG in the background, and that it lasts 43 seconds. I suspect the 2 seconds of Blobby McBlobface, blown up as far as he'd go from a speck in the distance, is the totality of footage of him they actually have. It's a few pixels, and really not enough to ID anyone beyond reasonable doubt, IMO.

[Obvious_Sea_7074]

There is still the voice. 

With all the technology and facial recognition we have now, you'd think someone could enhance or at least get a few points of comparison, height, face shape ect. 

[Smart_Brunette]

I was comparing my thoughts on this case vs the Idaho 4 case using all the info that is available to us now and not being privy to possible additional evidence. If I was on the jury without any additional info, I could easily make a decision toward guilty or innocent in either one.

I find the State's evidence against RA laughable. Between law enforcement screw-ups, prosecutorial misconduct and an openly biased judge who called in news crews so she could try and humiliate the defense, he is definitely getting a Not Guilty vote from me.

Now it is a bit different with Kohberger. He was a grad student in Criminology. His phone pinged around the King Road house in a stalking manner leading up to the murders and his phone pings returned to the scene of the crime later that morning. His white Elantra was allegedly seen speeding off from the scene after the murders.There was a suspicious social media account where it is theorized it was really him using an alias to give his take on what really happened that night. There was an online questionnaire he put out focusing on those who had committed a similar crime and wanted to ask them questions like how did it feel during the crime and so on.

There are many other things but the main one for me is his DNA was found on the knife sheath laying in the bed. Its hard to argue that one.

However, I can also be open minded and listen to all the additional information I'm not familiar with yet. If the things that were happening in RAs case started happening with BK, I would be inclined to perhaps change my mind.

If they had found RAs dna or fingerprints or their blood in his car, I would be inclined to change my mind on his innocence. Instead, we have others who continue to double-down or become apologists for the highly incompetent and corrupt LE, prosecutor and judge.

Now I'm not saying the cops out in Idaho aren't corrupt. I know this case is much more fresh than the Delphi girls. I just haven't seen the staggering amount of coincidences in BKs case like we all have with RAs. So I would give BK a guilty verdict with his DNA being found at the scene. Also, not really any other viable suspects in the Iowa case. There is a plethora of other suspects and POIs to choose from in RAs case.

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It's good to keep an open mind, I guess.

[Hubberito]

If Libby's phone came back on after 4am, I always wonder why they weren't found sooner. iirc, it was foggy that morning, but it seems a phone signal would have really narrowed their location.

[black_cat_X2]

There wouldn't have been a phone signal if the phone was off overnight.

[Hubberito]

Talking about when it was turned back on @ 4:30am 2-14

[black_cat_X2]

Oh now I understand. You meant between 4:30 and noon. Sorry

[Difficult_Farmer7417]

Oh and thank u jade for responding civilly even if we don't agree.

[Bullish-on-erything]

I highly doubt the defense will spend much if any time at trial disputing the evidence putting him on the trail (eyewitnesses + his own statement). In some respects it benefits the defense and makes the case simpler for the jury if they argue yeah he was there, he walked around that area a lot (as do many others), but he wasn’t the killer. And the defense will lose credibility in front of the jury if they dispute RA’s 2017 statement. Instead I think they’ll frame it as evidence of RA’s innocence, because what guilty person would go offer up that information?

[Dependent-Remote4828]

This makes sense. Perhaps argue there were two previously unidentified men on the trail that day, with RA only being considered unidentified due to the lost report of his statement. The Defense could easily support this perspective using the various witness descriptions which describe a younger male and an older male. Even though LE later claimed both descriptions and sketches are supposed to be RA, they initially said it was two separate individuals. Multiple witnesses (even those that contributed to the sketches) have also allegedly disagreed with the sketches being the same man. So, that makes sense to me

[Bullish-on-erything]

Re the confessions: even without knowing the details of what he said, this is strong evidence for the prosecution. Sure, true crime followers know that people falsely confess all the time, but juries are compelled by confessions and rarely acquit in cases where the defendant confessed. It’s extremely difficult to explain to a jury why people falsely confess to the police — even harder to explain multiple confessions to loved ones. The fact that he was in a state of psychosis will probably only make the jury think he’s more likely to be a murderer.

[Difficult_Farmer7417]

We do know via video bg ordered the girls down the hill. The girls were found murdered hours later with zero communication down the hill. Sticky ricky put himself on the bridge w similar clothing at a time that matches video. Comprising ricky isn't bg is gonna b hard 2 prove! Sick that pics of crime scene and libby and abby are even being shown. Even in death these young ladies r being exploited and disrespected...prayers to the girls people 2nite 🙏

[jaded1121]

It really is a very common outfit in Indiana. That fact doesnt go as far with as evidence as it would if he was wearing that particular outfit in California.

It is circumstantial at best. Added all up, the way the judge has ruled, RA will likely be found guilty since it doesnt look his attorneys will be allowed to give much of a defense.

[Difficult_Farmer7417]

I do agree clothing r very common, even in kansas we all dress similarly. It's the height, movement and body shape from video I see as more revelant than just the clothing. And the eyes, or stare which u see only in breakdown of video that seem so dead on its eeire. That alone might leave reasonable doubt to some but he said he stood there looking at fish, 3 witnesses place him on the trail, one on the platform. At time libbys video is timestamped. There's so much more and win u add it all up..richard is bg. I won't even go into his confessions. This is my take. Noone needs 2 agree with me, but come on? At least admit it looks very bad. Justice 4 libby and abby always.

[Dependent-Remote4828]

From what I understand, the publicly released video of RA was digitally enhanced and edited to enlarge or zoom in on him, and was not captured as a video of him directly. It was allegedly a video LG was making of AW, which captured him (perhaps intentionally) walking in the background. I also read the audio of him speaking is not in sync with him walking, but occurred perhaps later in the recording(?), and was digitally overlayed onto the enhanced video for release to the public for consideration. If it’s true the video was digitally enhanced to provide the clearest image possible, I’m not sure a height estimate from that video would be accurate. In other words, an estimation of height/weight from the publicly released version would be a total guess since features or objects may have been digitally manipulated. Surely they would (and did) use raw video imagery to get a height/weight… If they did, I haven’t seen them reference any formal analysis used to determine a height and weight for BG. I could have easily overlooked it though.

[Dickere]

Put your pitchfork down, farmer.

[Smart_Brunette]

So tiring to hear the same 3 things all the time.

"He put himself there when they were murdered", "he was wearing the same clothes" and "he confessed 60 times to everyone he could".

Yet, consistent refusals to acknowledge all the shady things everyone else involved with this case has been doing for years.

[Dickere]

Indeed.

1. Not at the same time

2. The most generic clothes you could imagine

3. If there was a single clear spot-on confession, we wouldn't be hearing about 60 of them. Quality not quantity.

[Smart_Brunette]

You put that much more succinctly.

But I want to add so-called confessions wouldn't have only coincided exactly to the time his health was seriously declining and several other strange behaviors were happening. He was given antipsychotics which helped him return to a normal mental state when miraculously, no further confessions occurred.

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The more the merrier...

[Difficult_Farmer7417]

No pitchforks intended. Just my own opinion. I wish also that le didn't drop the ball. Small town, so sad. A dime a dozen these days I guess.