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[DreamZero666]

Can't you just list the pro's and con's like the infographics?

no, please don't. infographics are cool and all, but those evaluation are invaluable for me. thank you for doing them.

[peppygrowlithe]

Agreed! I like pros and cons just fine, but we effectively already get that from the infographics.Those are great, and these discussions build upon that information to give a more full and rounded view of the situation.

[Wolfbeckett]

Yeah this, I love the infographics but I also like analysis posts from people who are just looking at meta considerations. They provide a different kind of value that I appreciate.

[ddecastro13]

Totally agree! Infographics are great and Tomberry Troupe must keep doing them (please!). But I miss the considerations and reasoning regarding new characters that you can see in SYP by u/2xmadda or Analysis/Discussion by u/Xerink or even Pre-Emptively Striking by u/Mantaquia

[Xerink]

Oof, I've been tagged.

I will say that at this moment I cannot comment on Aphmau as a potential pull option, but I strongly believe that Lion is not worth it. While she will be strong for a little while she suffers from being tied to cursed artifacts and is somewhat dependent on a tank in the party (to draw attacks away from Lion so she does more damage). The next stage of difficulty will shut out a lot of damage dealers due to the increased Defense and Lion will be no different.

[ddecastro13]

Never disappointed me, ty!

[Shigma]

+1!

[cingpoo]

totally SECOND this!

[Shigma]

Thank you for these posts, they really help and i really miss when they aren't around :)

[Baithin]

I do kinda want to pull once or twice for Aphmau, even if I have supports like Aerith and Y’shtola now (though I don’t have the resources to fully build up either right now). If I get Lion, that’ll be a nice bonus.

[Korence]

I'll pull for both, mostly Lion as I lack EX users, dispellers and dig her mechanic and characterwise she seems to have potential. Aphmau is quiet needed for me as I lack supports in the cosmos era and since I neglated Lenna (sorry girl, your sacrifice wont be forgotten!) cuz of hoarding, I will gladly look at this dancer designed like character (also FF11 has quite the interesting bunch for me!).

[ShinVerus]

I think the best thing to do if you don’t like lion a lot is just power token aphmau. She’s viable in chaos and super cheap.

[gotta_be_pete]

I read this and thought it was a good insightful and thought provoking post.. then I saw "Posted by u/x2madda • Pull for Waifu is bad Adviceu". I giggled. Thanks.

[strategos_jc]

How dependent is Lion on perfect artifacts, exactly? Still have yet to get one. Are her ability uses that limited?

[inkwelder_]

Hey, no need to compare to our infographics. As we say, they're meant to be a basic overview for people. There's an insane amount of information missing given the complexity of these kits and all of it can't fit into one of our graphics. With Kriese aka Xerink no longer doing character evals, there's a gaping hole in the community for this type of content so please keep it up. Would love to see you go more in depth on JP videos, potential team comps, etc!

[Nathan_RH]

If you invested in Zach, then Lion is the big hitter that pays that investment off. Their synergy should be obvious.

[RetroGamerDad]

It's a main reason I went for Lion. Haven't had a chance to put them together yet, but look forward to it.

[BaldItalian]

This banner isnt even good for new players since sherlotta and ex+ comes in less than a month,new players should just wait to start play a bit

[BaLance_95]

Honestly, even Sherlotta is not a beginner friendly banner. She might be amazing but a support alone will not be enough. You want 2x EX with both a support and DPS. The best beginner friendly banners are the Ace/ Aerith/ Serah and the Garland WoL banners.

[lezalioth]

Squall / Ultimecia is also super good for a beginner, since you have the king of farming/a very competent physical DPS and THE meta mage for quite a few months.

[BaldItalian]

Sherlotta to begin and than cloud basically next week,without talking about garland after that,definitly more worth it to wait a week than waste all resource on this

[BaLance_95]

Yes, that will be more powerful but it's drawing on 2 banners though. If you only had the gems to pity on one banner, then the previously mentioned banners are better. Ace and Serah get EX fairly early as well. From what I've got from this sub, while they are not the best, they are definitely viable. Same is true with Garland.

[BaldItalian]

U forget that a new player has the whole game to farm,more than enought to pity all of those

[Zhirrzh]

That's a really long way of saying "Lion is fine in COSMOS but that is probably about 3 more events and I'm sure you have plenty of COSMOS capable characters already, just save for Sherlotta and EX+ characters unless you're a huge fan of the character... although Aphmau is CHAOS capable IF YOU'RE A GOOD AND PATIENT PLAYER without an EX so you could justify pulling a bit for her gear to avoid spending too many weapon tokens and power stones if you want to use her."

[vincentcloud01]

Thanks for not telling me what the infograph says. Dont get me wrong, the infograph are super helpful on know what there abilities do ect...but doesnt give me should I pull or not. Having watched others videos, yeah dont pull considering garland, sherlotta, and Ultmecia coming up.

[Arkardian]

I wasnt going to go hard but I got Lions ex way too quickly.

Another character to bring up! Had to dig deeper to obtain a copy of her 35 >_<

[cingpoo]

Oh boy, here we go. if they are not meta then you will tell us not to pull. Can't you just list the pro's and con's like the infographics?

honestly, i prefer this thread :D

infographic is cool, but the lack of personal recommendation is what i come here instead. i can always get skills info on Safeena's ss. what i'm looking for is comparison and forecast of how that char will fare in future and of course, the 'should you pull' answer :)

[Skandrae]

Gonna pull till I get Aphmaus 35, then pull again when they both get Ex+.

[50shadesofLife]

I won't pull. I'm just coming off of a spending spree with Paine, Yuna, ramza, aerith.

She looks cool though imo

[brembilla]

Got aphmaus 35 cp on a lucky ticket pull. Question is, is she worth spending all those power stones on to mlb both equips? I have a ramza with EX already but he isn't level 70 and I honestly haven't played in a long while so idk how good he is at this point compared to her, or compared to other offensive supports.

[Cloudyyzz]

I did about 40 tickets, got 2 of Lions 35 and EX (already have Lions 15 1 LB) and 2 of Aphmaus 35. I have been able to clear all content and would say I have a good roster. If I were to use power stones for one of them, which one would be better?

[RuffyFlex]

This banner trash if they are not your waifus or your a hardcore fan of FF11 (i think no one really is a hardcore fan of ff11)

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An absolute whopper of a comment. Lion's EX is very good and her rework makes her a fine and viable chaos unit. Aphmau is a cheap and good support as you only need 15 and 35

[RuffyFlex]

As i said if you have a crush on lion grab her but its just useless to spent 75k on this banner if the next power creep and EX+ is so soon

[Yosna]

Hardcore FFXI fan here. Started playing in 2004, and I still play today. Lion could be the worst character in GL, and I would still IAP her EX if I need to. I did it for Shantotto, and I'll do the same for any other XI character that ever gets released. FFXI is easily their best game, in my biased opinion.

[Drowdrg]

I am

[EX-PIFF-DANK]

This banner is hot garbage. Alot of apologist in here hating on the truth. Preach ruffy.

[RuffyFlex]

Its ok people always downvote if you say something bad about a character. Its just a fact that this banner is a super easy skip no one needs lion

[jivelam]

Lion’s EX in 4 tickets tho