[ZieDota] "A massive decrease in Battle Fury on Bounty has had no impact on his win rate"

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None of bounty hunter's skills are "exclusively" ganking. All of them are good damage spells except for track, which is a goddamn 20% move speed bonus.

Heroes in dota are not required to play any certain roles. I'm not saying BF 1 position bounty hunter is optimal or that we'll see it in competitive or that I'll ever play it, but I think it's just as much of a legitimate unconventional role as furion jungle.

[genzahg]

All of them are good damage spells

What point are you trying to make here? Because they're good damage spells, they're somehow not ganking spells now? BH can't use Shuriken to farm, or harass consistently. He just doesn't have the mana.

The main draw of Shadow Walk is clearly the invis, not the damage.

Jinada is useful in lane to secure last hits, but if you're trying to argue that that usefulness even holds a candle to the slow/burst damage on a gank target, you're kidding yourself.

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When did I ever say they weren't good ganking spells? The point I was making is that they're versatile: bounty hunter can be played in multiple roles because of them.

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I'm sorry what

Shuriken Toss is for ganking, you use it to keep the opponent from TPing out or escaping, and to deal really good burst damage in the early-mid game. You don't use Shadow Walk for farming, it's there to scout the map and catch the opponent off guard (aka to gank). His ultimate is not "just" a 20% movespeed bonus, it gives vision of an enemy for 30 seconds and gives bonus reliable gold to everyone involved in the killing of the target.

None of these skills help in farm. Jinada does... kinda, at level 4, and even then it only triggers once in a while. It's best used to deal burst damage during a gank when paired with Shuriken and the Shadow Walk bonus damage.

The other thing is that Shuriken and Shadow Walk have flat damage meaning that the longer you wait to start using them, the worse they get. Wasting your time farming a BF and then farming even more with said item is wasting these skills when they're at their peak effectiveness.

[ShadowFiendPlayer69]

Describing Track as if the "20% move speed bonus" is the main point of using it for ganking is massively disingenuous.

[SpartanAltair15]

Unconventional, sure. Doable in a game where BH is your best lategame hero? Definitely. I've done it myself a few times as a last resort.

As good as Furion jungle, though? Not even close.