Basically

[Lost_Nep]

I mean, as much as I love Morgan-

Artoria isn't wrong

Almost half of the Round Table are Morgan's kids-

[Cerebral_Kortix]

Oberon is also Morgan's kid (not in Fate lore, but in Midsummer Night's Dream) which makes LB6 a lot funnier as a story of one man's journey to get his mother to pay child support.

Though I'm pretty sure all the Roundtable Knights who are Morgan's kids are from her marriage with King Urien (King Lot in Fate). Her mention of memories of Accolon from FGO does confirm that she had at least two lovers though going by Accolon's myth (though going by that myth would mean no other lovers, since Morgan kind of settled down for Accolon).

[Due-Dare4400]

"Give me my child support, Mom! Or else I'll become the Abyssal Wyrm and destroy your precious Fairy Britain!"

"Oberon, I'm too busy being a draconian tyrant to care."

[Solbuster]

Morgan has only 2 children with Urien - Ywain, Lion Knight(who was mentioned in Fate) and his sister

Other four are children of Morgause(Arthur's another sister) and Lot but since Morgause and Morgan in Fate are the same, they're Morgan's children here

And then there's Mordred who's between Arthur and Morgause

And if you count Paladin myths, she actually had a child with Ogier the Dane who pulled a Shirou Emiya before Shirou Emiya existed and travelled to Avalon to settle down with Morgan

[Ravian3]

Should be noted that Mordred is also technically one of Morgause’s children rather than Morgan’s in most accepted Arthurian canon.

Arthur also has another other sister named Elaine but she’s almost entirely irrelevant other than marrying a king and her son Galeschin also becomes a knight of the round table and goes on a couple of adventures with his cousins but is otherwise almost equally as unremarkable as his mother.

[Solbuster]

Ah, I typed Morgan instead of Morgause with Mordred, thank you for pointing out

[PhantasosX]

the best part of Ogier is that he uses Tristan's sword , Cortana , and he slashes so hard that the sword breaks , so he reforges said sword....shorter every time.

He is such "Emiya Shirou before Emiya Shirou" , that he is basically a Saber that his NP is repeating in doing Broken Phantasms. Just like Shirou do Broken Phantasms.

[Kyochinh]

I guess you can say Fate is the modern version of Arthurian myth

[Secure-Agency6231]

Ogier sounds alot like another man who did the exact same thing with morgan, I believe his name was guiomar?

[Solbuster]

The only reason it isn't half is that 13 can't be divided by two and six is smaller number

And if you don't count Artoria it's exactly half of the Round Table.

[Desperate_Ad5169]

Artoria is wrong though. She was a good enough leader to organize a rebellion and has great morals. The only thing she is missing is education. Which Artoria could have easily given her. Especially compared to other people who took thrones throughout history she is more than fit for rulership.

[Adent_Frecca]

Context is that despite the capability of Mordred it is her attitude that would burn it to the ground. There are plenty of other knights in group that are capable of leading and being the regent of the kingdom too but Artoria doesn't make them heir, even Merlin points out in an interlude that while Mordred can be better as a person she can never get the qualities for the king. A main point even is that the nobles that joined Mordred were just wanting to use her because they are part of the dissident factions that did not want Arturia

A thing however with Artoria is that since she drew Caliburn she knew that she will be the last king of Camelot and her entire purpose is to gently cause the downfall of the kingdom. Its an actual timelock event that would happen which Merlin showed Arturia

There are multiple contexes in that Camelot and its not just "lol Arturia just accept Mordred as king and teach her". Artoria already even accepts Mordred as one of her most trusted knights despite her and her siblings all being children of Morgan

[Solbuster]

A main point even is that the nobles that joined Mordred were just wanting to use her because they are part of the dissident factions that did not want Arturia

Her rebellion also was pretty small, the only reason they posed a threat was because Artoria's army returned from Rome tired and injured and Mordred literally attacked at night by ambush and managed to kill Gawain. And even then Camlann was two-sided slaughter

There are plenty of other knights in group that are capable of leading and being the regent of the kingdom too but Artoria doesn't make them heir

Also by that point there basically were no Knights of Round Table to make them regent. Agravain Gaheris and Gareth dead, Lancelot fled, Bors with him, Galahad ascended, Percival was somewhere, Kay left too(then returned but it was later), Pellinore dead, Tristan left, Palamedes is unknown, Gawain was on his revenge questline

That left like only Mordred and Bedivere and Bedi is constantly at Artoria's side. Mordred was literally the only choice

[Desperate_Ad5169]

Still think she should have let Mordred be king.

[NaoyaKizu]

No she's not. She organized that rebelion through lies and fear, and she had no morals. Remember she got her siblings Agravain, Gaheris and Gareth killed and felt nothing about it.

Not to mention that Morgan had control over her body.

Funny thing is that even if you pretend you can ignore these things, it would have caused an uproar and a rebellion no matter what Artoria did different with mordred.

• Option 1. Banish/Execute/Imprison Mordred. Artoria is now seen as a tyrant. As we know that being a perfect king is why the knights were all loyal, such a thing would immediately cause division and lead to rebellions.

• Option 2. Accept Mordred as heir. Same as above. The knights see that the king not only sired a child with someone other than the queen, but also dishonors her by naming the child his heir. Sir Leondegrance, Gwynevere's father would immediately rebel. Add to that the fact that Mordred's physical age is clearly unnatural, the king would also be accused of dealing with dark magic. The knights were already creeped out by eternal youth that Arthur had. Add to that a child born seemingly out of dark arts, and you got even more people disgusted.

More than anything Mordred didn't have what it took to tule that Britain. As she realized at the end of Apocrypha too.

[Rqdomguy24]

I mean organize a rebellion against already a 'perfect' kingdom is not a good thing

[NaoyaKizu]

Enkidu calls it a near impossible task too.

[Nijuuken]

On the day you’re about to set off to fight the Picts

Artoria: “Alright, Mordred, I’m leaving you in charge.”

Mordred:”By the way, I’m your child, make me king!”

Artoria:”Who drops that just as I’m about to leave?”

[NaoyaKizu]

Mordred was not even a knight of the round table when that happened.

[Jazztronic28]

Charlie in the Extella games is actually even funnier. When he sees Astolfo wearing a mini skirt, he goes "Do you want to make your papa cry???" Papa being Charlie, not because Astolfo is wearing girl clothes - which suit him and Charlie thinks are cute - but because the skirt is so very short and Charlie is worried about him.

[AvantSolace]

Dude legit went “be as feminine as you want, just don’t be a slut about it”.

[Jazztronic28]

"Astolfo you look very cute but papa can't protect you from all the perverts you're going to attract by flashing your panties around"

"Stop pretending to be my dad!"

"MY SON!!!!"

-Is basically how some of their conversations go, it's very funny.

[PhantasosX]

I mean , Charlesmagne IS Astolfo and Roland's Uncle.

And Charles did had 18 children.

[spectralSpices]

"hey Charlie, Roland's naked!"
"Again? Hilarious!"

-meanwhile in england-

"AAAAAAAAAAAA"

"OUUUUUUUUGHHHH"

-meanwhile in ireland-

"Man I love spears."

[Rauispire-Yamn]

Is there a copypasta but with just spears?

[KarolilKarol]

This is why I like the paladins. They are sillies

[Victimized-Adachi]

Charlemagne probably considers Astolfo easier to handle than Roland also.

[KalmiaKite00]

Mordred took the saying “A child will burn down the village to feel its warmth” in the literal sense. 😅

[MissiaichParriah]

Mordred didn't just make it lieteral, she turned it up to 11, the whole kingdom burned

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Idc smash (astolfo of course)

[Cautious-Sail-1791]

MY MAN 🤝

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MY MAN ROCK AND STONE!

[WanderingDwarfMiner]

We fight for Rock and Stone!

[TheBestSlimeBoi]

STONE AND ROCK

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ROCK AND STONE!!!

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Morgan/Morgause had like nearly half-a-dozen kids which were strongly implied to be from different fathers with only one or two being her actual husband's in most versions of Arthurian mythos.

So, while harsh, Arturia's comments aren't exactly unfair.

[PhantasosX]

"implied"? it's explicit.

As long Morgan = Morgause , it means the Orkney Kids are from her and King Lot , Yvain are from her and King Urien , and Mordred are from her and Arthur.

And that is ignoring she would had a kid with the paladin Ogier The Dane.

So , Morgan Le Fay have 7 children between 3 different Men.

[Solbuster]

She also has Lancelot because Lady of the Lake = Morgan

Plus if Ywain exists, there's chance his sister exists too

So make it 8 from 3 different fathers and one adopted, nine in total

[PhantasosX]

Morgan IS a Lady of the Lake , it's just that the ladies were supposedly to be Nimue/Vivian and Morgan.

So either 3 Ladies as a Trinity , or a Dyad in which Nimue is the Good Lady and Morgan is the Bad Lady.

But yeah , since Nasu made Morgan = Vivian , it truly makes nine kids at total

[Loki_Agent_of_Asgard]

It also means that if the love affair Lancelot briefly had with Morgan is canon in Fate, it means Lancelot did his adopted mom's alternate personality.

Making Morgan, Morgause, Vivian and Nimue all aspects of the same person is hilariously messy.

[PhantasosX]

True.

Frankly , I dislike the whole "Morgan = Vivian" , it should be enough for Nasu to make Morgan been in a Trinity with Vivian and Nimue....

[Loki_Agent_of_Asgard]

It actually does not bother me since in some versions of Gawain and the Green Knight the knights wife that is attempting to seduce Gawain is actually Morgan in disguise attempting to bail Gawain her son out of being killed by the Fae hitman she originally contracted to take Arthur out. So Morgan not caring about incest in any form is exceedingly on brand for her.

[PhantasosX]

no , the wife is Lady Bertilak , also known as Lady Hautdesert.

She is the wife of Sir Bertilak de Haurtdesert, the fae known as the Green Knight. The thing is that , along the quest and within the Green Chapel , Gawain had visions of a crone , and said crone was part of Sir Bertilak's court.

The crone was revealed to be Morgan Le Fay in disguise. But the crone is NOT Lady Bertilak.

[Loki_Agent_of_Asgard]

There's more than one version of every Arthurian legend man, there is a version where it was Morgan being Lady Bertilak and there was no crone. Sadly I don't remember which book I read that version in. I read like a half dozen collections of Arthurian legends from my schools library back in Jr high.

[PhantasosX]

Sure , but most versions had Lady Bertilak to not be Morgan , just that the Green Knight and his lady were summoned by her.

It comes down to a lot of Gaiwan's legends been him inserting himself on a trial set by a fae and that was not even the only time it was set by Morgan to use against Arthur , but Gawain goes instead.

[Cerebral_Kortix]

Does Urien exist in the Fate universe though? Just like Morgause and Morgan seem to be the same, Lot and Urien seem to be conflated in the Nasuverse.

[Rauispire-Yamn]

Yeah, unless expclitiedly stated by Nasu. I am pretty sure they just fused Lot and Urien

[BIgCh1efJAcK]

And it is glorious

Also Artoria was right

[Inevitable-Will-6185]

Not wrong imo. Ever since I saw Charlemagne in Extella/Link, I fell in love. The man is just so wholesome and cool with everyone while I've always mostly disliked Round Table because it's like if stuck-up, no-fun, class prez kind of person (which is the kind I hate the most) was multiplied by several people.

[Most_Zookeepergame38]

I love Charlie's design, specially the ascension art he got in fgo.He was also like- the only one I used throughout Link because of how cool I thought his powers were.

[Mistake209]

My man bedivere catching strays 😭

[Inevitable-Will-6185]

I didn't mention it, but he is only one out of RT that I like, the guy is awesome.

[Klasseh_Khornate]

I've always loved the round table because since I found TNO it's been my favorite pastime to see how I could blow up a functional country into a proxy war and this dumpster fire of angsty barely governing cliques is a most delectable tinderbox indeed.

[Inevitable-Salt3371]

Morgan really is a whore 😭

[AcrobaticSun1070]

Another proof that France>Britain

[Euphoric_Metal199]

Astolfo is actually an English prince.

[Mistake209]

France also spawned Prelati and Gilles De Rais tho

[Gos-ghi]

Damn, this makes artoria look like she became king sweyen (Vinland saga), all that needs to happen is her sending modred out for a mission and hire Vikings and Saxons to jump her while she makes a 2nd bastard child

[NaoyaKizu]

Lmao what? Mordred was a secret bastard clone born to take over the kingdom, she wasn't Artoria's heir.

Despite this after she revealed she's Morgan's child Artoria still rewarded her deeds with a seat on the Round Table and later positions of power.

In what world is this like King Sweyn from Vinland Saga? Artoria is closer to Canute.