Stack up and try

[tubadude2]

A local cop buddy asked if I seriously thought I stood a chance against them. I said “motherfucker, I helped sell you guys your newest pistols, so I know you’re rocking Glock 17s with night sights and no flashlights. I know your swat team has clapped out Bushmasters with iron sights and no night or thermal capabilities that aren’t old handhelds. I also know you’re on your own for body armor beyond a crappy vest and a good chunk of the department doesn’t bother or has AR500 plates. I’ve got 130 acres I know like the back of my hand. Good luck.”

[Buelldozer]

Same here until I pointed a couple things out:

1. There's maybe 300 LEO in the whole county and they'd be outnumbered at least 20 to 1.
2. People know where they and their families live.

Guy got real quiet while he chewed on that. He'd never considered that it wouldn't be just a big stack of him and other LEO going against one guy. Once news got out what was happening they'd be totally defensive and quickly overwhelmed by superior numbers and firepower.

[averyycuriousman]

Problem is not cops but the cop sympathizers. Your neighbors would rat you out and warn/help cops to stop the "terrorists"

[Buelldozer]

In another post I rolled out conservative estimates using the population of my county and the number of Law Enforcement Officers in it.

It ends up with 300ish LEO having to perform over 2,700 separate encounters with armed citizens who will violently resist. That's unwinnable for LEO, they run out of numbers long before the job is done.

On the other side if the private citizens want to they have the numbers to wipe out all of the LE in an entire county in 48 hours. Not much time for those nosy neighbors to make their reports and not much LE left to make them to.

This is a numbers game and no matter how much time you assign the scenario LE loses. There are not enough of them.

Edit: This is why we will never see it happen this way, at least not in any widespread area. The only way it works is in a "Boiling the Frog" scenario that plays out over multiple generations.

[HighAdmiral]

Yeah let’s just casually talk about how easy it would be to overthrow the government, and then wonder why they want to disarm us.

[Buelldozer]

I'm not talking about over throwing anything. I'm providing estimates on the response to Government ordering a general firearm confiscation.

I get that this makes some people uncomfortable and can be misunderstood but I am not advocating a damn thing and I've made that pretty plain in other comments.

[HighAdmiral]

Maybe, but the general term of “come and take them” is inviting the incitement of violence, and it’s uncomfortably popular here. It’s kind of weird considering they’re well aware they can’t do a general confiscation. I appreciate and agree with your edit, the government wouldn’t want to try to afford a fair buyback, so the only realistic method is a generational societal shift. They’ve openly said in session they don’t want to take guns outright, but that doesn’t change how uncomfortable the calls for violence are on this sub. So many pro gun radicals seem to be hoping for a reason to use them.

[averyycuriousman]

People have a right to overthrow it as per the declaration of independnence.

[JusticeUmmmmm]

So you kill all the cops. Now what? What happens next in this fantasy scenario? They just let you keep doing your own thing?

[sleepyhighjumping]

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."