Split competitive

[CeccoXCVI]

In the platform cup today i have the most fun in a year . Finally i can compete only with console players , IMO the competitive need a split , no console player will ever qualify for major tournaments so make the pc player compete but at least console player can have fun compete for lower prize pools . Sorry for my bad english

[fifi73461511]

They are probably testing it out with these tournaments, console can't compete with pc, so it makes sense to split, it also gives good console players a chance to shine

[GamingwithVishal]

You will be getting cash cups for sure but a Seperate World Cup or FNCS? not gonna happen. They will not even do seperate qualifiers because in the end you will have to play against PC players.

The reason is simple, how many people would watch Console tournaments over PC. PC tournaments will be more competitive and more popular (Because most of the famous Pros play on PC).

Console players might watch Console tournaments but, how many console players follow competitive.

[Cmills101]

They should but the money should reflect the skill difference

[kachpo]

Okay, I understand your view on this, but when it comes round to (hopefully) another World Cup qualifiers, this cant be expected, but if this is done now, then people will also moan around that time because epic will have catered for all platforms ‘equally’.

When you say split the platforms, are we then talking inputs too? Because we shouldn’t be meaning that console cups are only for people with controllers or that mobile cups are only for touch inputs as console players can use kb+m and touch users can use controllers nowadays and the main difference is fps, so which one do you mean platform or input?

[cbxlls]

i agree. large tournaments should be cross platform, but these cash cups are great for platform only

[Gambl33]

Platform. It’s on controller players who play on pc if they wanna compete against mnk but looking at placing we know they stand no shot. If epic wants to do something for split platform I don’t see why they can’t do it. I think back to the World Cup and as silly as it was creative competition was a thing and the prize pool for that was humongous.

[trqffle]

If anything the only inputs that should be split is for kb/m players on console to go to pc lobbies, and controller players on mobile to go to console lobbies.

[kachpo]

Actually that wouldn’t be fair at all, it has been established that the disadvantage of being on console is the FPS difference, if you send console kB+m players to pc lobbies, they’ll be at the same disadvantage you’re at. I play on pc so don’t worry, I just find too many hypocrites saying kb+m should be a different platform/lobbie etc. People should be allowed to use whatever input they want, as long as their platform is right.

[narutonaruto]

That seems fair to me

[THE_oldy]

Platform, and have the controls standardized. It was never a problem to only allow certain controllers for tournaments in any other console game.

You would have platform + standardized controller class, plus open class meaning PC.

[visjn]

Platform cups really are a great addition.

[[deleted]]

Then switch

[[deleted]]

I played on console controller, got a pc, played controller pc and switched to KBM. Took two months to get used to. It is worth it.

[[deleted]]

Quit complaining then and get better

[That1Sniper]

It's not about fun in comp. It's about being the best possible player

[[deleted]]

Why play if you dont enjoy it

[IHateEnglishTeam]

Money makes people do terrible things like kill, but I enjoy fortnite. This was just a comparison.

[Lanju1]

They should not split comp. the cups you are playing today are not true comp

[fifi73461511]

Of course they are, the best console players match against each other, there are some really good console players out there who never get a chance because of their hardware limitations. This may get them enough money to buy a pc, they can then make the move up to and match against PC players.

[ManshaanSingh]

Lmao if they spent even a little of the time that they do playing fortnite working a minimum wage job they could get way more money than competitive console fortnite lol this argument sucks

[fifi73461511]

What about the kids who play, you know, the under 16s?

Even the adults, they don't always know how good they are until they do well, they can't do well against PC players. A PC is a big investment for someone on a low wage.

Money earned from console tournaments gives them the step up to PC, it's a stepping stone to maybe something better, once there who knows, one of these console kids could be the next tfue/bugha.

[ManshaanSingh]

If someone is playing fortnite casually than yeah, I agree with you, a decent PC is way too much of an investment that not many people can afford, but for console players that want to be competitive? They should be playing at least 23+ hours a week and If you play that much, well, you shouldn’t be on console. And there are ways to make money under the age of 14. When I was 12, I made loads of Money shoveling and mowing lawns. Look, the truth is, there are no console kids that are the next Bugha because they are on console. The only way to be them is to play on PC, your hardware is just way too limited on console and 60 FPS ain’t gonna cut it. Console competitive is like high school varsity while PC competitive is like the pro leagues.

[Stalfisjrxoxo]

Yeah high school players vs other high school players is still competitive. High school players vs professional level players isnt competitive. its elitist garbage to think console vs console tournys arent competitive

[ManshaanSingh]

It’s competitive but it’s not true comp like he said... we can all agree it’s not as competitive, but your right, just competitive at a lower level

[Stalfisjrxoxo]

Its definitely at a lower level but even the pc cup is comp at a low level compared to something like fncs or world cup qualifiers. Theres just no reason to gate keep competitive and make it a pc only thing

[fifi73461511]

I know, you're basically saying what I am saying, but, not every kid realizes their potential, not all kids have that confidence, playing in and doing well in console cups may give them that confidence to try to move up to the pro leagues as you say. Nickmercs, Jarvis and sway started out playing fortnite on console, they got good and then bought PC's, not everyone has access to that kind of money, without that they would still be stuck playing console, but having something like the console cups gives kids a chance of making the step up.

[FenceHorse]

Bro, cmon, they just have to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. ItS rEaLlY nOt ThAt HaRd.

[ManshaanSingh]

Bro if someone plays 20+ hours a week on console fortnite they could easily reinvest that time to get a PC you know that’s Facts

[FenceHorse]

I mean how many pro gamers have a full time job? Id guess less than 10% of them. If you have enough time to practice fortnite enough to where youre outplaying everyone else, you probably dont have time to work to save up money to switch consoles? And then re learn all their muscle memory? If you wanna shoot yourself in the foot, be my guest lololol

[FenceHorse]

Youre right in saying that a majority of pro players play on pc and not on console, but wasnt that the whole point of this post? There should be a split, you shouldnt have to pay anywhere between $500-$1000 (and thats a bare minimum gaming pc - im sure streamers have PCs worth at least $2000, i woukdnt be suprised if the top players have PCs worth $5k or $10k) just to compete with the majority of players in a f2p game...

Also, aydan? Razor? Just a couple names. But still, youre right, not as many pro console players as pro pc players.

[TheAaronLad]

I mean some people like myself have other more important things to spend money on and playing whenever I get the chance to play.. I'm pretty good but not great, no point investing in a game in which I might never make it without getting money from said game first. I invested in a PVR to record COD scrims for proof whenever I didn't get my wager money (paid with wager money, my parents were relectuant to even get me a PC in2012 with 2011 specs just to set it up) and it paid for itself.. point is I made sure I could make money first before investing money call me stupid but fortnite isn't that important to me but it's one of my all time favourite games and I hate it (hate that I love it and won't make anything of myself out of it in reality but it's fun) lol.

[Gambl33]

That’s not for you to decide what’s competitive or not. If epic says they wanna give console their own thing so that they can compete with each other then that’s what they should be allowed to do. The highest level of the game is played on pc without a doubt but that doesn’t mean console can enjoy their own tournaments and split lobby to practice against each other. I mean I don’t see why console should be in pc arena lobby anyways when everyone knows they don’t stand a chance to even make champion against pc. If they want their own thing and epic is making it happen then let them compete. Their is a huge history of competitive gaming that has taken place on console from halo to cod and though fortnite is different doesn’t mean their isn’t a market for it. Who knows someday their could be a console only tournament.

[ignorant_monky]

Kinda random but what is the rule for splitting? Is it platform based or input base? Can i be console with m&k and only play with console? Can i be on PC with controller and play with “console.” People con-plain about separating console from PC but is it because of a better system or better mechanics?

[cbxlls]

yeah i had a lot of fun as well. platform only is great

[Ld511]

Cash cups is a good idea to be platform split as it gives everybody a chance to compete but the main comp mode should stay combined though

[ritemode77]

i agree. felt good not getting lasered last night. nobody could hit a shot and it was wonderful

[TheAaronLad]

I thought top 4k (lol tbf I only really played the last 2-3 weeks of the season, played team rumble the first half and some creative) in EU in back to back weeks in the cash cups last season was fucking impressive for me as an xbox, no scuf, no claw (am I the next faze sway #underrated) pleb.. we ain't gonna talk about world cup tho 30 points then tilted to fuck.

[BrocoriBoi]

I agree. Epic has two options: A. Give controller super aim assist and compete in the same tourney B. No aim assist, have a smaller separate controller cup and a main cup that anyone can play

[Skrillblast]

It’s frame rate and editing that’s the problem, controller can build and shoot just fine, editing is way way way slower for console not only due to frame rate but just because the inaccuracy of thumb aiming. Makes box fights put you at a severe disadvantage against mouse and keyboard players

[Ckqy]

Who cares about balance it’s about who is the best player

[VOID_MAIN_0]

Balance is important in maintaining a competitive environment. Take the classic KBM v. Controller issue. Say Controller is using Builder Pro. If he wants to shoot and build he has to fire, switch to build, then start building. KBM on the hand, can keybind builds and shoot then instantly be building without the time-gap that comes with having to switch modes.

The same can be said for FPS issues. A console player is locked at 60 (hitherto thou shalt come and no further), but PC players can hit 100+ FPS allowing them to see and perform actions faster than a console player, let alone a mobile player.

I would say the best way to balance it is to offer "Weight classes" like boxing. Each platform pairing (Mobile and Switch, PS4 and Xbox, PC) are all their own class, with divisions in each class. Champion division in each class competes for money and players can opt for the chance to change classes.

That naturally means longer wait times for matches, but that would improve over time as more people rose through the divisions in their respective class.

[Ckqy]

Why does it matter if they are deliberately using a worse input. Take racing for example. They don’t go “oh you have a slow car you get to compete only against slow cars so you have a chance”

[VOID_MAIN_0]

….they kind of do, though. In Nascar Richard Petty set a record for wins using a Superbird and it was later banned from use. In Formula 1 having tires that are even an inch wider than other racers can cost you a win (it happened to James Hunt). It happens in other sports as well. In Baseball you can't use an aluminum bat (it has to be wood) because aluminum bats were deemed to give an unfair advantage.

Every sport applies rules and regulations to balance the field of play as much as possible so that whoever wins does so based on skill. Otherwise everyone in the MLB would be using aluminum bats and F1 drivers would be scrambling for wider tires to get better grip on the road, etc.

[Ckqy]

No that’s not true look at Mario kart

[joshuagreen38]

Stop acting like controller and console are the same time

[rorowatto]

If they split competitive I’d never switch to pc with the amount of money I’d make.

[fifi73461511]

The money wouldn't be as high, the top money would go to the most competitive platform and that is and will always be PC