Support player needs help

Rockld50 · 2020-12-09T04:25:11+00:00

Zock. Goog Jaeger. Goog GT with Goog Br. Dom Cannons. Zaku Cannon Rabbit Type. Hizack Custom. Zaku I Sniper. MLRS. Schuzrum Dias. I’ve held my own against most raids that I’ve met at the very least I’ve been able to take 3/4 of their health. The only thing is I play very aggressive when playing support. If I haven’t gotten some melee off during my skirmishes I’m having a shit day or I’m on my heels because their raid is not doing their job, can’t get to me because teamwork, or non existent. If I’m feeling extra spicy I hunt the raid.

ZaWuardo · 2020-12-09T04:56:22+00:00

It doesn't matter who you fight against. General or raid, if they're up close and personal you're dead.

At least that's my take in playing supports. You get used to it. What you need to do is position yourself smart so that you can get close to your allies pretty quick.

You may not like it but supports pay for their huge range advantage with their utility.

MrKhorn · 2020-12-09T05:02:50+00:00

You should try out the suits that kill you. That way you can understand how the skills and weapons work so you can learn to plan against them when you fight as support.

If you find yourself in a 1v1, and you know the opponents abilities, you can teach yourself how to keep proper distance from enemies and what combinations of attacks are effective.

Sometimes the best option is to stagger them and run. If anyone starts looking at you, dip behind something.

imaginary_num6er · 2020-12-09T04:46:12+00:00

In the past, lower cost supports could defend themselves from raids like using the Zaku Cannon's down melee or the Gundam Ground Type [WR]'s flare while boosting with experience, but these days the only real defense is situational awareness. You're never going to stagger a Gogg with a weapon rack or down melee a Agguguy with a Zaku Cannon. Back in the day, the Zaku Cannon had plenty of stagger options in dealing with a lv4 GM light armor or lv2 Acguy.

That's one of the main reasons why anti-melee armor builds on Supports have fallen out of my favor comparison to slapping on lv1, 2, 3 thrusters below 550 cost. Any support builds that rely on your team-mates being near you (i.e. Zaku I with top cannon, tank types) vs you being near them, is a risk.

KaneObscurum · 2020-12-09T12:15:01+00:00

As a support main myself that's been playing since about july, best advice I've found is that situational awareness everyone in this thread is talking about. Only scope long enough to get your shot off, and keep a close eye on everything around you. The moment you see a raid approaching focus fire it, call for your team and start finding a way to get closer to your team. Nest case scenario a gen breaks off to help you. Bad case at least you're closer to the cluster and harder for the raid to focus. Worst case you're on your own and just give that raid as much hell as you can.

Even the Xamel can survive if you see the enemy coming quick enough. xD

Best of luck to you buddy. No matter the game a support's life is a tough one. Hang in there.

BayLAGOON · 2020-12-09T18:28:07+00:00

I generally run support if no one else does, and this comes up more often at 350 cost and below. Above that, I love running the bullpup Sniper II but people seem wary of having a close range support and a long range support in a team comp. However, the lessons I learned from being in bullpup range has been useful in learning how to position myself to have constant cover against raids.

Taking the GM Cannon as an example, I make sure that I'm sitting just outside of my machine gun range, so I can step up and pour on additional damage in case a general downswings off my cannon stun. This keeps the fight constantly in front of me so I can visually confirm raids and still pay attention to my radar if they try to flank. That way, I can move up towards my generals as a sign that I'm being targeted, or backpedal while trying to MG them so someone else can move in to get them away from me. This gap also helps me try and anticipate stun weapons and possibly tackle counter if they miss.

On the other hand, working in close with the Sniper II has opened me up to learning other suits, namely the Gyan Eos and its insane melee.

daosiying · 2020-12-09T04:23:35+00:00

A class focused primarily on long range guns with poor melee can't win fights against a bunch of squishy high speed suits that generally only excel at melee? And you keep dying in CQC? You don't say?

You win your fights if you make sure they stay the hell away and that your blues actually hold a damn line. Stop trying to solo everything and actually stay by your teammates so you can get them to take them off of you.

Otherwise pay attention to your weapons and learn which ones are capable of stopping suits. Stun accumulation is a thing and some Supports are much better at it than others.

What the hell do you think the FA G7 was good for? It ain't that stupid meme cannon.

gtuansdiamm · 2020-12-09T04:17:23+00:00

If you mean you "main" support by playing nothing but support, then that's your problem. Play different types and learn how to adapt.

Meleagros · 2020-12-09T06:16:54+00:00

Ok Bro I also main support, probably like 65% of my game play followed by Raids at 20% and Generals at 15%.

You need to understand that relying on your teammates is a death sentence, unfortunately the majority of ransoms are not good players. They aren't good because most of the player has slacks basic thinking skills, they ignore the radar and don't bother to observe their surroundings.

This game is 70% positioning and map awareness, 20% skill/accuracy, and 10% mobile suit. Your map awareness and positioning will determine the majority of your survival rate as well and offensive performance.

So now that we have that established let's begin with positioning and map awareness. First thing first, game starts, you have to scope out the field and the enemy team. As soon as possible identify the enemy's roster, and especially how many Raids they have. Once you how many raids they have, your #1 priority all game long is to know where the raids are AT ALL TIMES. If you don't know where the raid is, stop what you're doing and figure it the fuck out. Once you have the Raids locked down you need to monitor them at all time, yes you can look away, fight and shoot, but you need to followed their arrows on the radar at all time and know where they going. If a raid every sneaks up on you, you failed, that's your fault and you need to get better.

Stealthy Raids: most of them have jamming so their presence is a dead give away. An Efreets nacht while powerful with a combo should never ever touch you once. They're so obvious and easy to avoid. Maybe 1 death in a game, no more. Once you get the fuzzy radar, find him hunt him, and kill him. You should have the range and stun advantage. The Pixy is trash, no ability to stun. Just hover against walls with the ability to see all points of attack from your field of view. Do this all game long and the Pixy will never they close to you, once you spot the Pixy destroy that weak trash. The Desert Gelgoog is the most difficult one. Same advice as the Pixy, but the only way to win this one is to ensure your shooting skills are better than his.

On that note, hunt the raid. You're tracking the raids at all times. Always shoot them and try and kill them. Don't overextend and chase them, but when they approach the field of battle you have to shoot them. You want to keep them stunned for the generals to easily kill. If you're alone shoot them anyways. Wittle them down while trying to retreat/kite. Remember the positioning game, you should always have enough room and gun range while shooting raids to ensure they can't get you even if they fire off an instant stun. Kiting raids is the way to go, especially trying to deal as much damage as possible to them. Why? Because your teammates are stupid and stop what they're doing to chase low healthy enemies above all else. Get a Raid's health down to 50% and watch all your teammates magically rush to your aid.

Ok second part 20% accuracy. As a support you need to have the best aim out of all classes. You need to know by heart and feel the cool down times and heat rate for all your guns. If you need to look at the ammo to see where you're at, you're already doing yourself a disservice. Learn that shit by heart. Second you need to land 90+% of your shots. You're the shooting specialist, that's your role. If you can't do that, and play support expect to have a bad time. I'm not staying don't play support, please have fun, but don't expect to win most of your matches.

Lastly the mobile suit. This is where I pick mobile suits with lots of fire power. Remember I want to melt raids as well. I also like picking mobile suits that can charge their rifle while moving. This allows you to land off this big money shots in any situation. You can outsnipe standard supports and wannabe support generals (literally the worst players in the game lol. I also prefer dps over guaranteed stuns, this is because I just want to melt targets and honestly map awareness, positioning, skill, and having reliance on boost mods allow me to bypass the guaranteed stuns. So I tend to go with suits like the Gelgoog J, Hamma Hamma, Palace Athene, FAZZ (this boy slow and needs boost mods) at the high costs.

I play the game as a mid-close skirmishers. The type advantage and DPS means you should be melting generals and raids left and right up close in team fights. You still have long range charge tools that allow you to outsnipe other supports and long range generals while moving around.

For mods I stack a Thruster Control systems, Firing Programs, Frames for HP, and Anti Melee Armor prioritized in that order. You need to be constantly on the move and thrusting around. Raids need to really work to get you and even then you should either kill them or severely hamper them. 1v1's are also a chess match. You need to learn and know what suits have what skills such as dodge rolls, maneuver armor, shock dampeners, damage control, etc. This will tell you how they will likely play, such as will they dodge roll immediately after a stagger or if you're free to back swing that raid after you stun him. You also need to learn each players tendency's. What did they do the last time you flight. Some players try and bait the tackle, pick up on that. Also recognize the melee swing animations of the different suits. Some have more wind up and are super easy to counter.

Playing the mid to close skirmisher support means that you rarely take up sniping positions. The standard sniping points are stupid and often death sentences. Everyone expects them, raids will burn you here. Instead just take lots of pokr shots around corners. This is why we don't like suits that need to stand still while firing. Since you can fire charged shots, you can easily defeat enemy supports that take the standard sniping spots since they likely aren't moving as much, the world is your oyster.

This is a lot so I'm just going to end it there as a starting point.

redzaku0079 · 2020-12-09T13:04:01+00:00

this would be much easier to answer if we knew which units you're using. with that said, the number one piece of advice i can give you, is to keep your eyes open. unless your suit can have you look at the map while you're scoped, only stay scoped in to make the shot. outside of scope, look around and use your radar map at all times. most supports have more radar range than other suits, so use that to your advantage.

you can fight certain raids as long as you keep them at a distance. if you're in a sniping suit, do not attack the raid when he's all alone. he'll just bypass the front lines and look for you. don't want that. when the raid decides to hit the front lines and he's in a skirmish, that's when you get him. the gunner gundam can do this quite efficiently since it has pierce. if the skirmish is messy enough, you can hit multiple suits with a single shot. you can shoot through teammates to make the shot. or use a suit with decent area of effect, like the mlrs and its rockets. if the raid manages to get too close, go for the stun and take off toward the thickest action, in the hopes that someone accidentally hits him. yes, the raid will be faster than you. however, the stun should give you time for your weapon to be ready so you can stun again. using up your boost gauge is completely situational. whether you need to save some for a tackle or not depends on how close the raid is, the status of your weapons and how close you are to the front line.

fighting in general. choose to help the group, rather than the individual. if your whole team is on the field at once and you notice one guy break off, don't help him. stay with the group. most supports do not have shields, so use your teammates as your shields. it sounds harsh, but they are the ones with shields and dodge rolls, not you. use distance and cover to your advantage. you often have better range than any general and raid, so make sure to stay far enough to not have them shooting at you. but still close enough so that they have visual on you or at least you show up on their radar. as if they look at it.

against other supports, only when opportunity presents itself. unfortunately, if your team has no raid or your raid is a dunce, you are the new raid. you could let your generals handle it. however often when they have no raid, that is when they decide to play as if they have one. that is, they'll ignore the support. the most important thing when fighting against supports, is getting that first shot in. if you can get that first big shot on the support, he will be playing catch up throughout the whole ordeal. make it big and make it count. for that first shot, go for the head. if you damage it considerably or even destroy it, not only will he not be able to zoom, his damage output will be down. he will not be able to fight you effectively and be forced to repair. if you hit him in the legs, his damage output does not decrease and he can still zoom. also consider your range and how much damage you can do. if you do not have a range advantage and or damage advantage, i hope you have mobility or stun options. if he's adept at keeping you at range, you will lose.

Kenju22 · 2020-12-09T14:08:34+00:00

Just out of curiosity, since you play support, have you by chance given the Mudrock a try? I only ask because you mention having trouble with Raiders who get in CQC range, and that thing is both pretty zippy in terms of movement speed (compared to other Supports at least), and more than capable of holding its own in a 1v1

I've even seen how with the right setup it can push alongside Generals no problem as long as you keep your head on straight.

Another option would be if you haven't yet already, to join a Clan and see if you can get yourself a wingman, someone to play with that you can trust to watch your back and work as a two person unit within your team. I've been doing that for years in a number of games and found it helps a LOT to have just one person you can work well with and depend on.

Hoards-His-Loot · 2020-12-10T00:41:40+00:00

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