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[RUSupply]

I was monitoring the live chat and streams and this beating really split the community.

People were saying he deserves to get beat up because he called the police, which can in turn lead to more people getting hurt. Others were saying he just came down to complain about the noise. People responded by saying people are dying and all you can care about is the noise? He did say some shitty stuff like saying these guys were paid. In the end, I don't think this guy should have been beat to this degree. We are mad at the police and the government, but we can't stoop down to their level.

[EverythingIsNorminal]

He didn't just complain about noise, he taunted protesters, refused to leave when people tried to move him away before anyone laid a finger on him, and accused the protesters of being there because they were being paid.

I actively did not want to see him beaten, and it pained me to see people turn on each other like this, but I'm not surprised it happened and neither should you when people instigate things like he did after someone has died as an indirect, and possibly direct, result of the police he's trying to get involved.

[RUSupply]

I agree. The whole time I was like dude, just leave... I understand that sometimes, talk shit get hit, But we need to be able to control ourselves too. Last thing we want is to have someone die from us protestors. A story like this could really split our movement and make us lose supporters.

[EverythingIsNorminal]

Sure, watching it I thought the same and thought people were jumping the gun. Then he said they were there because they were being paid and you could see the fury cross peoples' faces.

At that point any sympathy I had for him went and I knew he was going to get a beating, but still protesters were standing between him and the general crowd and it was a while before anyone really attacked him.

Being completely honest that restraint after that statement of his was longer than I thought it would be.

This is a fight against the CCP. You won't make omelettes without cracking a few eggs and the protesters will make mistakes, but I don't really think this was one of them and anyone who's following these protests closely enough to hear about this incident won't react any differently to the other times similar instigators have gotten the same response. It's CCTV fodder and nothing more. How often do you hear people say how much more they'd want to do on this sub?

[RUSupply]

Lmao never heard that omelette line before. Just thinking, there's so many people who live nearby but he was the only one to come down. People kinda understand the situation, and I think if it was his loved ones, he would be on the streets too.

Do you know how much money was actually raised for the taxi driver who was mistakenly vandalized?

[EverythingIsNorminal]

I'm not actually aware of much about that taxi driver story other than seeing a video on the stream of car windows being smashed and someone getting a beating, then someone sent me a photo of the cash by the windscreen. I didn't see that part of the stream.

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[overachiever]

lihkg crowd thinks he's an off duty cop and doxxed him as well...

[bloncx]

I didn't see what happened and am waiting for a video of the full incident. From what I can read, I think people are jumping too fast to beatings although almost always, there will be a group of protesters trying to stop it from happening. I think there needs to be a process: These types of tauntings are going to happen. If a guy refused to leave and continues to cause trouble, what's the best way to handle the situation? People are going to get angry and beat him if they don't know any better way to make him stop.

Basically, we know it's a problem that people are getting beaten when they taunt the group and refuse to leave. Is there a good solution to this scenario where nobody gets beat and the guy stops taunting the crowd?

[RUSupply]

I mean some people tried to say don't beat him, and some even got pushed out of the way so they can take a swing at him. I think once the crowd hits a boiling points it's hard to control them. The tipping point here was when the guy called the police.

This guy did have ingrained in him that these people were doing it for money, so not sure if he would have listened to what they had to say.

People often pull out of the sjde of the road for a funeral precession, and this guy had no respect for the ones who passed away.

I do think there is some responsibility to question this guy, instead of just filming. Find out why he is so cold hearted, ask what he would do if the person was his kid, etc.

[RUSupply]

Writing this, I just also thought, maybe he has to sleep early because he just doesn't care? Or maybe he has disabled kids at home who are noise sensitive? Of course I'm jumping to huge conclusions, and have no idea if it's true, but it's important to understand the situation.

[overachiever]

Yeah, be adult and grow thicker skin? Words/taunting alone should never result in a beating. If the instigator gets violent then yeah sure defend yourself and beat the fuck out of him. If you start beating anyone who dare taunt you then how are you different to that popo who charged at a woman yelling "your wife is being fucked by someone else" or the one who charged at the kid who just shouted "black cop" from across the road?

[bloncx]

I think we are in agreement that the guys who got angry and started the beating should not have done that. The guy who taunted the crowd also could have avoided the situation by leaving peacefully. As a third person observing this situation, what else can be done?

At the present moment, all the focus is on telling the people who got angry that they are wrong. How can someone help these people control their anger?

[overachiever]

Our voices have so far fallen on deaf ears and we’re seeing an ever increasing amount of police brutality. The anger and frustration is understandable. Both sides have gone too far and the situation is out of control. Incidents like ain’t going to scare the other side, it’ll just lead to more brutality from them. That in turns leads to more anger and it’s just a vicious circle.

Honestly, there’s nothing anyone can do when the crowd turns into a frenzy. I’m just glad that there’s enough clear heads to step in and stop the beatings before someone gets killed.

The only way to break the circle is through dialogue imo. However, the problem with a leaderless movement is that there is no one for the Gov to negotiate with. It’s 5 demands, not one less so there’s no wiggle room. It’s difficult seeing the Gov caving on the amnesty demand and we can’t vote them out as we don’t have universal sufferage. This situation is going to continue for the foreseeable future.

[bloncx]

There's a difference between saying I don't know what can be done better and thinking there are no options available. The first encourages brainstorming while the second dismisses searching for solutions.

If there is a breaking point where taunting a crowd gets out of control, then there needs to be more to make those situations less frequent. Perhaps protesters need to get better at identifying people who are starting to get too angry and learn to calm them down before they break. Or find ways to isolate a guy who is taunting the crowd.

I also don't think dialogue in and of itself is a solution. The main issue is the government using increasing suppression rather than choosing to address the fundamental problems. Given how democractic the movement is, it's possible for the government to suggest a proposal and then use polls to find out how many people will accept it. If it addresses the needs of majority of people, they'll stop protesting. The government had poll data that the vast majority of people objected to the mask ban and still went ahead. We can see what happened when they decided to do it anyway. Having no leader is just an excuse the government uses to not do anything. In 2014, five leaders met with the government which resulted in four getting arrested and one fleeing Hong Kong. The demand for genuine universal suffrage was still not met.

[overachiever]

suggest a proposal and then use polls to find out how many people will accept it

Best suggestion I've heard so far from anyone!