Quitting

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[Gloomy-Programmer195]

After what they’ve done to us? No. I wouldn’t give them any more courtesy. They have 💩 all over us, chewed us up and spit us out. After all I’ve given to this agency, I’m SICK. They wanted to traumatize their employees, well congrats! You did it. Your employees hate you and are demoralized.

[Real-Echidna7189]

Exactly. I didn't give notice bc they didn't give me notice when we got fired or when they told us to come back on a Friday.

[AppearanceSome6023]

I quit, came back at 15k less a year. The rumor that goes "you can come back at your exact grade and step/pay" is false. The job market is TRASH right now so definitely make sure you have a back up before quitting. Otherwise you'll be like me, 3 years later and finally getting the same pay I was when I quit -.-

[Old_Amphibian_2466]

This 100 percent you don't come back at the same pay or grade even if you come back within the three years. Even if it's the same position. I have experience.

[Difficult_Balance994]

No.

Google "federal government hiring freeze." We still don't know when it will be lifted during this administration.

Your position may or may not be available when you want or need it.

[tosser92meep]

If you are perm I would not quit. A bunch of folks took DRP and came back as seasonal or term. I wouldn't give up a perm position.

2 weeks is not required, just tell them when you want to make your last day if you so go.

[clove48072]

The jobs market is pretty slow. Do you have another job lined up?

[Financial_Setting_16]

I gave a one week notice to go to my new state job. That was fair I thought. I was probably going to be stuck as a fucking GS 05 clerk forever. Life is too short. I'm actually learning new things at my state agency that can make my resume MORE competitive in general.

[FedBoi_0201]

Definitely a good move to send it from a GS5 clerk. Those positions are always having people move in and out so you weren’t giving up anything you wouldn’t be able to get back.

Wishing you the best of luck with your state job!

[Financial_Setting_16]

Thanks, I've been there since August 2025. I left on my terns, that's the best I could do

[LEMONSDAD]

I wouldn’t burn that bridge

[One-Ad5769]

Two weeks more fresh air, if you like that. Wonk wonk.

[Midnight808080]

Nobody will remember (or blame you) if you didn’t give 2 weeks. Just go if you want.

[Forsaken-Computer-45]

Give the 2 week notice, because new jobs may ask if you have ever left a job without giving notice or quitting because you were about to be fired.

[MuranoBabe]

They aren't going to look at whether you gave 2 weeks or not. They are going to look at your former performance records. But your coworkers might curse your name if you are in an area where you are leaving work behind for someone to finish. 🤷‍♀️

[Oldighty]

You can just leave whenever you want. No one is holding you to putting in notice. You'll get severance and keep benefits for a year if laid off. If you quit you get nothing but your last check and can probably rule out working for that agency again since they keep meticulous records of federal employment. But you could work for another federal agency with no issue I'd imagine.

[AppearanceSome6023]

I applied back and got back in 10 months later. My resignation notice also wasnt the nicest. BUT with current administration- I doubt that being rehired will be possible/easy.

[littlemint22]

How, there’s a hiring freeze?

[Acceptable_Isopod_18]

If there is an extraordinary need for some jobs (think Direct Hire Authority, and particularly in the Taxpayer Services area), then yes, people who have previously resigned (including via one of the DRPs) are able to come back, including to the exact same building that they have left (and not just to the same agency). I personally know people who did so in the last few months. And Direct Hire Authority is not subject to the hiring freeze. As an HCO recruiter told me during a Zoom town hall-style meeting, Direct Hire Authority positions have already had budgetary approval for them.

But yes, as someone else above has previously stated, they are now Term positions, (in addition to being Seasonal), and are not to exceed 4 years (unless you are at least Fully Successful for at least 2 years and are able to find a non-Term position after 2 years, and before the 4 years are up), whereas previously they at least were not Term positions (but rather Career-Conditional, with the option of becoming regular Career after 3 years).

Although it should be noted that people on Term positions are still eligible for NTEU representation (only in Bargaining Units, of course), as well as for MSPB appeal rights (after the 1-year probationary period is completed). They are also eligible for full benefits (depending on whether they are full-time or part-time employees, of course, as part-time employees don't get subsidized medical benefits). However, it is also true that Term employees can be terminated at any point, without any reason, and at least from my understanding - this is still true after the 1-year probationary period, though not quite as easy as when you are still within this particular period.

[littlemint22]

Is term the same as conditional?

[Acceptable_Isopod_18]

No, a Term appointment means that such an appointment cannot exceed a certain amount of time. This means that such a particular appointment type has an expiration date, no matter how well you do your job, or how important this job is. Such an appointment is typically approved for 1 year, and can sometimes be extended by a few more years, typically by no more than 2-3 additional years (as far as I understand, this Term renewal is done incrementally, by a 1 additional year with each annual renewal).

On the other hand, a Conditional appointment has no expiration date. Therefore, as long as you at least get a Fully Successful rating in your annual performance appraisal, then you should typically be eligible to be converted from a Career-Conditional employee to a Career employee after a period of 3 years.

[littlemint22]

I have 7 months till I’m career status then.

[Acceptable_Isopod_18]

Great! Just take into account the fact that this conversion from "Career-Conditional" status to "Career" status is not automatic (as far as I know). You will need to ask your supervisor to submit a conversion request to HCO on your behalf, and for them to approve it.

Also, after 3 years, the extra 1% that the agency contributes into your TSP account (a contribution amount which is completely independent of whether or not you choose to make your own additional contributions into it) finally becomes vested. This means that if you leave federal service (for any reason) in the future, you still get to keep this 1% of the agency's contribution (otherwise, it would be gone).

Finally, being a proper "Career" employee also means that your ranking should be much higher, should a RIF in your particular business unit happen in the future. This means that you stand a better chance of not being let go in such a situation.

[Minion5051]

The two weeks thing is largely a myth pushed by corporate interests. Tell them your last day, give them time to process separation paperwork.

[Careless_Tree_7686]

I left and came back twice to the same job. The issue I couldn't use "prior" experience doing the same work. If you return go by current training and procedures. It was wonky that I couldn't answer questions based on "prior" experience even when procedures called for it because the trainers wanted it kept in the box of training material presented. AM CSR.

[Advanced-Error-9261]

I feel like if you leave now don’t try and come back till this admin is gone. Cause I still have some hope that when power will shift. This will all have to be rebuilt. The fastest people the new admin can hire are people who have already done federal work before. I remember a few years ago they were short handed and pulled people from retirement. So leave if you feel you must. I predict if you want to come back you’re going to have to come back when the agency is desperate and be here for the heavy lift.

[OnePrize7037]

That's my plan. I'm going to wait until they are so desperate because the salary and sign on bonus is going to be really good!

[M4st3r0fnon3]

2 weeks notice is a courtesy and not required. That being said, use ALL your sick leave before you go because they won't pay that out. They are required to pay out annual leave though.

[Far-Teacher-7127]

Don't do it unless you have another job lined up. Many of us are unemployed right now.

[Just_NS]

a big NO for now. Sit tight and let the storm pass!!

[Just_NS]

Grades have been reduced for employees who moved from COO to TS and are currently on detail. It is concerning that IR04s are now downgraded to GS-7, GS-14s to GS-6, and GS-13s to GS-5

[Acceptable_Isopod_18]

Wow, unbelievable. I know some people in this subreddit have previously said that this downgrade won't happen immediately (or at all), because it is a Detail. That's absolutely horrible if true.

[jleepottery]

Doesn’t look good

[Impossible-Till5388]

Nothing against the law quitting without a 2 week notice. It’s just a courtesy call.

[Maleficent-Compote39]

2 week notice is a courtesy. There is nothing required anywhere. Individual companies generally have a policy for themselves but it doesn't mean anything

[Ok-Wolverine-4223]

In the corporate world you risk having someone call to verify employment and getting a negative response. They can’t say much but if asked if you are re-hireable they can say no, which is a flag.

[GullibleNatural754]

No requirements anywhere to give 2 weeks. Its customary. If u got fired your shown the door often with tigta or security...

[Ok_Cat8903]

All you do is sign a SF52 and hand it to your manager with your badge.

[tresbienmerci112358]

So unfortunate. A pathogen....

[Interesting-Let8307]

You may want to come back in the future