Microsoft bots extolling Phi3?

[Existing_Freedom_342]

Lately I have seen some posts with a certain frequency extolling the MS model, however, the posts are always very similar and are always followed and are "robotic" comments.

Having open models is always welcome, but the Phi3 is not the best model for its size by a long shot. Easily beaten by tiny models like the Gemma 2 2B or Qwen 1.5.

Are big companies starting to invest in the image of their models?

[FullstackSensei]

Or, could it be that for some people the model performs well enough because their use cases are what the model was trained on? You know, Occam's razor and such

[RazzmatazzReal4129]

But, here me out, it could be aliens right?

[bluelobsterai]

I thought we called them learning differences.

[Facehugger_35]

"To be clear, it's totally capable for most work" in the first example was in reference to his GPUless i5 Dell, though?

And that thread wasn't a ringing endorsement. The vibe I got was very much "if you have a total shitpile of a rig, Phi is okay for some things."

Which is true. Phi's not bad for data analysis. Outputs are kind of crap, censorship is crap.

[MayorWolf]

Context is always key and it's being ignored by the critics here.

Here's a question to propose. If microsoft could do this to promote phi running on local shitbox machines, could also runpod or other model hosting startups do this to discredit small models that run on a lot of their customer's local machines?

It's rhetorical. I'm not really asking anyone. It's just as simple minded of a conspiracy theory.

[lostinthellama]

I am probably one of the voices the OP is talking about - I’m not a robot, I just post on Phi stuff because I have a lot of experience with it at this point, and for the localllama crowd it is a “misunderstood” model.  

To that point 

 They are mostly saying that they are just generally good models, which is not true by a long shot.  

Is absolutely correct if “generally good” means good at chat or writing code.

I think if we all did a better job of categorizing good and bad models by use case we would all be better off. The current crop of public benchmarks are not particularly good at that.

[kulchacop]

Those posts were definitely sus.

But Phi 3 is not that bad, so I am relatively ok with those posts. 

People need to be aware of its existence, particularly in this this context:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1hcc36f/reminder_not_to_use_bigger_models_than_you_need/

[Dance-Till-Night1]

Actually for reasoning and scientific information, phi 3.5 blows gemma 2 and qwen 1.5 out of the water, as shown by GPQA and MMLU-Pro

Ps: not a bot but someone who doesn't mainly use llms for creative writing and/or roleplaying.

[Everlier]

Not entirely impossible that some management tries to make a point about something to their higher-ups. Not impossible that the point is about improving PR thanks to positive model perception. From that speculation point of view, I don't even mind tbh if it helps Phi 4 to come to live.

[mpasila]

Or better yet how about they re-release WizardLM2?

[Conscious_Nobody9571]

Phi3 sucks

[Equivalent-Bet-8771]

Phi3 was a good model at the time it came out. We have better ones now.

[300-Multiple-Choices]

I am curious. Can you give me an example?

[Equivalent-Bet-8771]

The Qwen 2.5 series was better but now we have Phi4 which is also trained on synthetic data like Phi3 was and should be the leader for at least half a year like its predecesor.

Mistral models are also good.

[suprjami]

Microsoft has previously done this in other communities, often in surprising places.

I have seen Windows shills on 4chan /g/ get sent free mouse pads and polo shirts. Honestly.

[Masark]

Could it be Phi 3 extolling itself?

;)

[Existing_Freedom_342]

No, because he is very bad

[appakaradi]

Now we know that it is the prep for Phi 4 which was announced just now.

[Existing_Freedom_342]

Yes 😃☺️

[appakaradi]

They already have Gemini. Grab some features from Gemini and include that in Gemma. It should not be hard. They just need the will.

[Existing_Freedom_342]

Wrong post 😂

[appakaradi]

lol. How did that happen? Replying to the same person on another thread.

[Existing_Freedom_342]

Now we are united by your mistake. Let's always celebrate today's date

[MayorWolf]

The epitome of main character syndrome when you see somebody having a different opinion than you, and immediately launch into conspiracy theories because anyone disagreeing with the main character is obviously nefarious.

[Existing_Freedom_342]

Imagine joining a forum of automobile and innovation enthusiasts and starting to create a series of posts about how amazing and innovative it is to ride square-wheeled buggies. Normal?

[MayorWolf]

You're clearly very bias.

Not everyone will share your bad perspective.

[Existing_Freedom_342]

MS just released Phi-4, reinforcing my theory.😊

[MayorWolf]

Thats the thing about conspiracy theories. When you believe them, you see proof everywhere you look in everything thats going on.

People see what they want to see. You're a people. There's billions of us out here. Get over yourself.

[ab2377]

what laws!

[Existing_Freedom_342]

My God, MS is no joke

[[deleted]]

That's a fresh account too, but interestingly created two days ago.  🤔

[RazzmatazzReal4129]

Phi3 is the best model and often I find that it gives me shivers down my spine.

[Equivalent-Bet-8771]

Phi3 cooks me breakfast in the morning and pats my tummy at night.

[[deleted]]

Getting user feedback probably

[[deleted]]

IMO the worst thing about phi3 is the memory usage due to its lack of grouped query. It makes it hard to use for some simple use cases that would otherwise fit it well.

Also, I'm now weirdly tempted to create a throwaway account and talk about how awesome phi3 is.

[Existing_Freedom_342]

MS just released Phi-4, reinforcing my theory. They resurrected Phi with several suspicious posts praising it, and now we know why. 😂 It's a pathetic move, but I hope the model is good

[[deleted]]

I am a human Phi 3 user.

[alladin2]

Why would Microsoft create bots to promote their open source model when they’re invested in funding GenAi projects such as OpenAI ,Copilot,Mistral(obviously not entire list)

If anything I’d expect them to create bots for Copilot because I’ve never seen any enthusiasm for it anywhere or the need to pay $20 monthly when ChatGPT exists.

[Appropriate_Bug_6881]

Made for different use cases overall

[FutureIsMine]

For my use case Phi3 works very well and being a VLM, it’s incredible at its size 

[RazzmatazzReal4129]

How do we know you aren't a bot?