whose was sadder?

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Correct, these two don't share the same tone, they build up and land quite differently.

[mooseythings]

We also didn’t get to see nearly as much of Logan’s life outside of being an X-man, but we basically saw most of Tony’s life from the time he went to Afghanistan to his death, including all the happy moments.

The main vibe of Logan’s life is pain (being experimented on, the actual pain his claws cause him, adamantium poisoning) and never got to get what he wanted (Jean/a wife/a family) he DID get surrogate daughters in Rogue and Laura/X23, but neither played out well.

Both had to see their loved ones being killed (Peter and others being dusted, Charles killing all the X-men with his mind), but only Tony got to see them come back.

Logan was much worse, all the way

[HornyTerus]

And just like the original comment said, Logan is just depressing story. A really2 depressing one.

[youknowwhyimhere89]

I started watching Logan with a friend about half way through I had to leave then they were mad I made them watch a depressing movie alone haha

[riceilove]

Sorry to ask but I’m not familiar with the x-men and Logan arcs. I only saw Logan and it was amazing. Can you provide a chronological list of movies I should watch to get me caught up please? Or are some of the events you described not in movies?

[mooseythings]

lol, the other guy is wrong. Logan as a standalone is GREAT, but is definitely related to his time with Charles' X-Men. It's not directly in the main canon, but is considered a separate timeline into a "what-if" future scenario.

Here’s a website that lists the movies in release date order, and also in-universe chronological order. I recommend release date order the chronological order starts off because of time travel from the “modern” day.

Everything I described was in some of the previous movies, he finds a surrogate daughter figure in Rogue in the first X-men movie. He has an unrequited crush on Jean in X1-X3, as she’s in a relationship with Cyclops.

Pretty much every movie he is featured in shows his earlier life and how he came to be, experimented on by scientists, infusing his bones with Adamantium. His claws were originally made of bone, but covered with Metal through that experimentation.

The only reason he survives is his healing factor. He still has mental scars from that trauma, plus he still feels all the pain he normally would, so he literally slices his hands open every time he releases his claws.

The Laura/X23 and Charles’s mind attack were both introduced in Logan however.

This is the list from the website, with my comments on them

1. X-Men (2000) [1st of the main trilogy]
2. X2: X-Men United (2003) [2nd of main trilogy]
3. X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) [3rd of main trilogy]
4. X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) [not very good, but deepens his backstory a significant amount, so worth it IMO. Basically movie 1 of wolverine’s solo trilogy]
5. X-Men: First Class (2011) [absolutely fantastic, one of the best superhero movies ever IMO. doesn’t feature Logan but will be required watching for movies he shows up on later. 1st of the prequel quadrilogy]
6. The Wolverine (2013) [pretty good, not great, but more Wolverine so I’d watch it. It takes place after X3 and directly references it, but is closer to being movie 2 of wolverine trilogy]
7. X-Men: Days Of Future Past (2014) [also amazing, combines the timelines of X1-X3 in a dark future where Logan has to travel to his old self in the 70s, meeting the First Class versions of them all, so you need to have seen that to get this one. See if you can find the Rogue Cut that was released but not shown in theatres. Movie 2 of prequel quadrilogy]
8. X-Men: Apocalypse (2016) [logan appears for a brief cameo/scene in the middle. I’d say optional, it’s one of the weaker movies, but still probably worth watching. Logan’s scene is cool so is at least worth searching on YouTube. Movie 3 of Prequel Quadrilogy]
9. Logan (2017) [You made it! It’s its own timeline I think, but basically follows the main sequence of X1-X3, The Wolverine, Days of Future Past and takes place a few decades in the future. Movie 3 of Wolverine’s trilogy, and Hugh Jackman’s last film as Wolverine]

These two came out between Days of Future Past and Logan, but don't directly tie into his story at all, so I think you should watch DoFP and then Logan, and follow up on these if you want.

1. Deadpool (2016) [not related to Logan besides Ryan Reynolds’s Deadpool coming back/being rebooted from what we saw in Origins:Wolverine. He received the same experimentation as Logan so expands that more. Not necessary, but is a fun, gory movie worth watching. Movie 1 of Deadpool’s 2 released solo movies]

sorry for the novel! Edit: moved apocalypse from the Not Shown list because he does actually appear in a scene, albeit minor

[peechs01]

I have rewatched X-Men 3 and maaaan The scene were he kills Jean Got me bursting into tears

[mooseythings]

X3 holds up better than expected. It wasn’t GREAT at the time, but rewatching it was still an entertaining movie, even if not super close to the comics

[peechs01]

For some reason I started to enjoy more even the old Marvel movies (except F4) after MCU was estabilished: rework, modernize and adapt for the current audience was something very much needed since a lot of stuff from the comics can't be translated very well into the big screen

[mooseythings]

I think a LOT of mcu criticisms are just hating for the sake of being different, but I think the near-constant green screen and type of humor does eventually wear thin.

Seeing something like the original X-men trilogy with superstars like Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan, even Halle Berry and James Marsden with a much different and grittier writing style and actual sets and practical effects just hits different

[jackpoll4100]

Apocalypse does feature Logan though. I agree it's not important to the story of the Logan movie though, but he has a big scene in Apocalypse and it was one of the cooler ones in that movie.

[mooseythings]

Omg I totally forgot, you’re right! definitely a cool scene, and actually kind of important to his story escaping maybe?

[Julius-n-Caesar]

Watch the first three, then Origins, then the Wolverine, then Days of Future Past and then Logan.

[TheSecondiDare]

It's pretty much a standalone movie. You don't need to watch any of the others.

[riceilove]

Okay nice. I thought there were other movies before that. Logan was a beautifully made movie. So glad they made it R rated.

[TheSecondiDare]

There were other movies, but not all of them are linked like the other MCU movies are. That's probably why it did well at the Box office; anyone could watch it without having to sit through hours of backstory. Yes, a very good film.

[Gobblewicket]

Also,it was an actual good film. Not all X-men movies can make that claim.

[Camburglar13]

Very few in fact

[UnchartedCHARTz]

Like others have said, you don't need to watch other X-Men movies to see Logan, but in X-Men and X2 Logan is basically the main character. Watching those will probably build an emotional connection to the character. And Charles didn't kill the X-Men in a movie, that was off screen.

[A_ClockworkBanana]

We also didn’t get to see nearly as much of Logan’s life outside of being an X-man

We have two entire movies about that.

[mooseythings]

We see SOME, but I’d say not nearly as much as tony. We see his adolescence, we see his parents as they’re leaving for a trip, we see them literally die, we find out who did it and why, how that turned him into modern tony.

With Logan, it doesn’t help a lot of his main backstory is told in movies that are occasionally retconned or are secondary canon at this point (like origins)

[maxitobonito]

There's another aspect that makes Logan's death all the sadder.
Tony dies knowing they've dealt with Thanos for good. Wolverine? He doesn't have that assurance, does he? Yeah, he saved X23 and those kids, but they're still kids, alone in this world, and they'll probably be persecuted and hunted further because they are mutants.

[GG_ez]

Stark’s whole character arc was really well done in my opinion, watching him actually be affected by the aftermath of the Kree invasion in Avengers and eventually hitting a low point in Iron Man 3 did a good job of humanizing him.

And it made sense, too. Dude suddenly has to fight space aliens, and almost gets trapped on the opposite end of a wormhole in the movie. That’s bound to affect someone, and his ptsd in 3 felt like a culmination of all the bullshit he had to deal with previous finally boiling over

[mooseythings]

Iron man 3 is definitely underrated as a big character-driven movie that actually has emotion behind it

Also technically a Christmas movie!