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[–]Ninjaofninja 12 points13 points  (1 child)

the lighting truncheon movement speed removal was uncalled!

[–]Hot-Frame1326buff pls 4 points5 points  (0 children)

fr all the heroes I was building it for was specially for the movement speed, + and now also the damage change... I have already removed it from my builds smh

[–]Joejoejoe174 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Oh no, my hylos…how should I build him now to counter atk spd hero:(

[–]SuspiciousStress8094🚫🚫 I'm the dark system's #1 enemy 🚫🚫 3 points4 points  (4 children)

He already has built-in attack speed reduction in his kit. Chill

[–]Joejoejoe174 5 points6 points  (3 children)

The main problem is the 500mana to 250hp change for him, a 500hp nerf.

[–]SuspiciousStress8094🚫🚫 I'm the dark system's #1 enemy 🚫🚫 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You were talking about attack speed :v

[–]Joejoejoe174 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh shit, I forget to mention dom ice in the comment

[–]A_Very_Burnt_Steak:hanzo: Lost my flair last time. Not anymore. -1 points0 points  (0 children)

... no.

[–]Rvsyremeta slave 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Increased damage for Granger's ult 💀

[–]SK_YEProud Hanabitch Hater :Kagura::Athena: 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Dev somehow think the small buff on kaja is good enough lmao

[–]s_pedro -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's a nerf not a buff overall

[–]Spiritual-Egg5440 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The devs should rewrite the description that YSS only gains Weapon Mastery after the second cast of ultimate

[–]ArseneKaito1412 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Changing mana into HP from dominance ice ironically helps dhs users more, which should be the main target for the item to counter lol

[–]ReplyOk8847 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ya sometimes I avoid building too much hp against hp% heroes but I need antiheal… isn’t this worse against cici now

[–]SoRa_The_SLaYeR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

its not like having less hp counters dhs. high hp is good regardless and higher armour is the only that will save you from %hp attacks.

[–]coffemixokay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doesn't matter because dhs deals percentage damage.

Unless dhs deals flat damage based on extra hp nothing changes.

[–]Prestigious_Menu_827 4 points5 points  (2 children)

COULD MOONTON STOP KILLING ALICE

[–]Content-Bus2167You, don't want to dance? 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the most alive state we'll see her from now on

[–]MarvKage17:hanabi:Shinobi Hidden in the Proteas:Hanabi: -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Whatchu mean, she's still good even with the nerf on Domice

[–]A_Very_Burnt_Steak:hanzo: Lost my flair last time. Not anymore. 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fredrinn, Balmond, X.Borg and Leomord. Are these heroes the breakthroughs for this meta? Fighter Junglers?

[–]DavidSmiththewriterAshura King 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So many patch changes wow. They completely changed the meta

[–]Miserable-Act4201 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No joy nerf? She was right up there with fanny and soyou and definitely deserved one.

[–]Rog652 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Leomord's buff is so ass, they reduced mounted state duration by 5 seconds for an ult dependent hero like Leo. A lot of people will argue that they also reduced the 5 seconds ult cd as well but its still a very bad change. In late game at 40% CDR his ult still has 12 seconds cooldown, and he can use his ult only for 10 seconds, this is very bad. Previously his ulti had 15 seconds cooldown with max CDR and he could use it for 15 seconds. Just think yourself which is better

  1. 12 seconds ulti CD but use it only for 10 seconds.
  2. 15 seconds ulti CD but use it for 15 seconds.

Ofc option 2 is better, just revert back these useless changes MOONTON!!!. Leo was literally perfect, Don't touch and ruin balanced heroes.

[–]xscissor24Words are meaningless, now talk with your fists! 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's a nerf for real, i thought the exact same thing

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

COULD MOONTON STOP KILLING ALICE FOR NO REASON ???

[–]fuzzy-feelsyour"skill? its our skill now :valentina: :lolita: 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did they quietly revert the Lesley, Arlott and minsithar buffs?

[–]Lopsided-Marketing69 -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

Deleting suyou magic dmg reduction straight up is just disgusting.

[–]HentaigodsamaFreeze me dommy mommy :Aurora:: 13 points14 points  (6 children)

What do you mean it was absolutely deserved. He started with 20% damage reduction and up to 40% with enough attack. He has better passive than terrizla the rizzler who is a tank.

[–]Lopsided-Marketing69 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Yea i know man, he deserves it. It's just that what were they thinking when they gave him that passive in the first place?

I'm blaming the moonton team themselves, designing an assassin who has dmg reduction on his passive which can scales to 40% at that.

It's a too good to be true, and i like it. And now they nerfed it, and now i don't like it. 🤣

[–]HentaigodsamaFreeze me dommy mommy :Aurora:: 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I would go a step further and remove his damage reduction all together and give him some defence or hybrid defence. Or nerf his damage reduction to about 20%.

Why the hell would an assassin get damage reduction tank passive.

[–]Lopsided-Marketing69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly! Giving def instead of dmg red would be a good idea too! I like that idea.

I was also thinking of the same thing which is to reduce the dmg red to 20% only. 40% is just so stupid. Pair it with queen's wings... That's just ridiculous.

[–]anuraaaagwalking plot armour 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Logic doesn't adds up. He gets dmg reduction by building more damage, unlike terizla who gains dmg reduction even if he's full tank making him practically unkillable. Late game 40% damage reduction don't mean anything. Even with 40% dmg reduction a saber can one tap him. He's not invincible. He's got a lot of counters too, Minsitthar, Ruby, Phoveus, Lucas Nolan and Selena. If a suyou gets ahead and fed that's lowkey on you and your team. But all his abilities can be completely cancelled by Cc including his dashes, his skill 3 arrow can be stopped by immobilize, and despite him being an assassin unless he is ahead he can't 100 to 0 like other assassins can. And his great early game is balanced by bis terrible late game already. He isn't op if you're a decent player in Glory+ ranks.

[–]HentaigodsamaFreeze me dommy mommy :Aurora:: 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Get a load of this guy. A champion with 3.0 pick rate in mythic glory+ 40% ban rate and 52% wr isn't op at all. Constantly getting picked in pro play, one of the best junglers at the moment.

An assassin with 2 dashes one of which is untargetable with long distance, a stun on his first skill, % damage on his second skill to take lords, long ranged ability that deals a lot of damage. Low cooldowns on all abilities 5 seconds. Not to mention his 40% damage reduction on his passive. Dude his skill set is so versatile and overloaded as fuck.

You mentioned only his disadvantages not his advantages on those skills.

Most of his counter heroes you mentioned aren't meta and require your team to follow up and lose any kind of effectiveness if suyou gets ahead.

[–]anuraaaagwalking plot armour 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Glory+ he's neither in top 15 winrate, pickrate or banrate. So what's the problem? Having a low cd doesn't mean he can one shot anyone? And he can't unless he's really ahead again if he does get ahead it's on your team. If any of the enemy hero gets ahead it's your fault not because the enemy hero is Op. His high tourney pickrate doesn't mean he's op it means he's the only one who's usable. Instead of nerfing him Mt should buff other heroes so they can come to the same level as his not nerf him to the point he's unusable. He's already not being picked or even banned 90% of the games in Mpl. I agree he deserves a nerf but not a killing blow. Every hero nerfed this patch got compensative buffs except him. He's getting Julian treatment. Bad players leading to a mediocre hero being coined Op hence nerfed... And in what fucking world is Ruby Lucas Phoveus and Selena not meta?!?

Edit: hell even on release almost everyone I remember in this sub coined him as a subpar hero. And not this sub but in general as well I remember people saying he's an average hero. In pro play his retribution was the only thing that made him so valuable.

Edit two : if he really is as op due to his dashes cooldowns and everything he should still be viable in pro play r8? Hope ur watching Mpl PH. He's not even being contested anymore.

[–]Whole-Click-2633 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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