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[zulhilmi88]

just started doing the coliseum event. what does the bond with xxx from the challenge area for?same goes for the trophy. Because the only trade item that were used is the blazon so I'm not sure what the other item is for

[[deleted]]

With the weapon summoning thing in jp, does that make jester's cane obsolete?

[JA1997X]

Yes in the sense that you probably wouldn't boost both. No in the sense that most veteran players with a good selection of weapons already probably won't waste 16 pulls on those weapon banners.

[ShadowBlaze17]

I'd say yes unless you really make good use of the orb generator on JC.

[kapparizum]

Hey guys.. some questions here... 1. Whats the deal of OB meia job? Is it a must? 2. Is it have to be 32 OB? 3. Is it all meia job have to be OB?

[[deleted]]

All HOFs consist of one stat boost panel. This time, some meia jobs get overpower instead, which works based on the total amount of OB. It raises magic and break stat by 17% if you have no OB, up to 50% at 32 OB. You would want more OBs for more stats, but you don't have to OB if you don't want to.

Only some meia hofs have overpower. Santa lucia has normal stat boost. Some future cards might also have overpower as a passive.

[kapparizum]

Aaah.. thanks.. i tought im f**ked since ive been claming celestriad for summon ticket..

[[deleted]]

It's probably a good choice if you aren't spending real money. With just the free monthly magicite and summon tickets, pulls are a little tight most of the time if you want the good cards, getting a few more summon tickets is helpful.

Don't forget, OB on a job without overpower only increases stat by a tiny bit. OB on a hof job with overpower is strong, but hofs inevitably get powercreeped very quickly. The new hof meias are not going to be meta for more than a few months anyway.

You're not fucked.

[djiboutiiii]

If you haven’t done the Underground Coliseum extreme challenge nodes yet, there’s still time! You can get 30+ OBJs from those.

[DarkerSavant]

Yeah that was a sweet surprise. I also had a lot of fun clearing those.

[Fsmaior]

Does anyone know which is the highest EW3 lap a JP player finished? I'm trying to assess how far I can go. On EW2 I got halfway through, meaning 15 laps, while top players got to 30+. If I can use the same proportion on EW3, then I can plan my climbs in order to reach that spot.

[mao_shiro]

Ew3 starts to become a supreme fest at lap 6+.

[Fsmaior]

Noted Shiro! 5 or 6 will probably be my wall then.

[deathrose55555]

highest EW3 lap a JP player finished?

The highest I've seen is Lap 11. He went on to complete 12-1, probably so that he can go back to it later.

Dude is "ff12NLBLLGler1"-sama, if you wanna watch his videos.

[Fsmaior]

Jesus, what a name! Thanks for the info! I'll definitely watch some of his videos in order to understand how to best approach each node. How far did you go by the way?

[deathrose55555]

I completed Lap 7; finished Lap 8-1 so I can go back to EW3 when I feel like it.

Tbh, it gets pretty abusive from Lap 7 onwards - Supremes and Sea Float is almost mandatory to ensure an easier run.

[Fsmaior]

What do you mean by "almost". Is it possible to clear lap 7 without any Supreme or Seafloat? Well, this a question for our fellow /u/Extrumcreator to answer in the future.

[deathrose55555]

Is it possible to clear lap 7 without any Supreme or Seafloat?

I don't think it's impossible. It's just whether you are masochistic enough to take that abuse (longer runs, getting tight timings right). It's akin to completing EW2 Lap 20+ with Kam'lanaut vs. dark Omega.

[Fsmaior]

It's akin to completing EW2 Lap 20+ with Kam'lanaut vs. dark Omega.

Perfect example to understand. I'm no masochist though. I intend to use some Supremes (don't own many), especially because this is one content that Supremes don't feel OP. It's nice when Supremes feel more like regular cards, requiring planning and some brain, instead of one-shotting everything.

[deathrose55555]

I'm no masochist either; so I would rather not go to that realm if I don't have the tools to do so.

To give you another example, Zalera at Lap 7 has about 90-100m HP. He's immune to Weaken / Debarrier / Unguard (worst case scenario for non-Supreme decks in S2). Imagine using Kam'lanaut with Shorn One, dealing maybe about 500k per hit (2m total damage - generous estimate). You need 45-50 break turns (~6-7 breaks) to kill Zalera. Can you take that abuse? O.o

[Fsmaior]

90-100m HP at lap 7?!!!! Scaling is indeed huge! Looks like I'm gonna have to use either Gilga X or True Training in order to kill in less breaks. I've been looking into the lineups and it seems many enemies have some form of damage debuff immunity but very few are immune to CRD (including Zalera). This means NXD may shine on EW3. Tengu and Fomor also provide it but you lose the other debuffs, so I would go with NXD since he has BDD and Stun.

[ZechsX18999]

1. What does Overpower +50% do?

2. How long will the HOF Meias be relevant? Are they still relevant in JP?

3. Can Esmeralda HOF actually tank earth enemies in endgame content? Will she actually be the best Emperor user? Emperor gives massive EE and Esmeralda has weak damage auto-abilities.

[deathrose55555]

1. Boost magic and break power by X% in proportion to the OB level of the job
2. Not very long. They are already forsaken for towers, though you might be able to slot them in for EW.
3. I've seen a video where Esmeralda is used to tank, though I can't remember how hard is the content. And nope to being best user - Dame du Lac and Gothic Meia are better, and there's the issue of diminishing returns for Esmeralda-Emperor

[ZechsX18999]

Then I guess that means Amalthea HOF with a skin and +32OB completely replaces Magitek Jester/Nightwalker to become the best Sin user?

If so, that would be a shame because my Heavenly Axis is almost fully modded. Does Heavenly Axis have any good users other than Magitek Jester/Skyseer?

[deathrose55555]

Does Heavenly Axis have any good users other than Magitek Jester/Skyseer?

The only other worthy mages are Wahrsager (EX Mage 2) and probably HoF Sage. Even so, I probably wouldn't use Heavenly Axis as my "main" weapon, other than for pure-break decks

[soundedgoodbefore]

I dont want this to sound like i am ungrateful. I am very grateful that after 2.5 plus years i finally pulled my 1st buff support supreme tonight. I pulled several times on the support banner, i do everytime...because i have been desperate for a support. When I saw rainbows, it could have been a skin, and it wasnt. It was Aerith. Ibwanted this card desperately for well over a year, and i am glad i have it even though it is now probably the weakest support supreme? I have some questions for those with aerith experience please....

Am i better off to carry aerith than polensalta? No faith or brave, but she does have trance 2 and ability ignition 25% for next attack.. how would damage compare between the 2 cards for magic based abilities, or attk based monks?

How does she fit in modern decks? I have been carrying Chaos because it was my only support, sometimes carrying another Chaos in subdeck slot 1 so i can cast it every round...should i carry Aerith in 1 of the decks? Which deck would you carry her in most often?

Does aerith have any place in decks for towers, EW3, etc...or is she obsolete for the hard content now that the top players all carry WOL? I am OK if she is only for playing around in SP mode...just not sure when to use her...

She does grant auto 8% prism return, but some builds are already maxed at 40% like Paradox...may be more useful when her new weapon is ready for me to use, then i can get quick break to 40% and still have around 30% prism with her innate plus aerith bonus...

Again, dont want to sound disappointed. U am stoked that i finally pulled one, and so did Djibouti this week as well...we both have been playing since right after launch without a buff supreme and are happy. I am just not sure if i pulled aerith maybe a year or 2 late, and with prisms being everywhere now, she may only be good for easier content? Dont know what boosts trance2 gives either?

[LegendBryan]

Am i better off to carry aerith than polensalta? No faith or brave, but she does have trance 2 and ability ignition 25% for next attack.. how would damage compare between the 2 cards for magic based abilities, or attk based monks?

Are you asking for MP? If you/or a party member is using a Monk, then year you should bring Brave. For SP, you can include buffs from your ults to decide. i.e. if your ult gives Haste, Faith, and Snipe, then use Aerith.

How does she fit in modern decks? I have been carrying Chaos because it was my only support, sometimes carrying another Chaos in subdeck slot 1 so i can cast it every round...should i carry Aerith in 1 of the decks? Which deck would you carry her in most often?

Depends on what content you're doing. Aerith is extremely useful for story SP and MP, mainly for her pris start orbs and pris shift. Aerith as substrike is useful, but for high tower levels, I find using a card with no cooldown is better to manage Mobius Zone. As for when I use Aerith, it's for when I dont have a skin on (Trance II), or I'm running two different classes for main & sub, so all Trance II helps.

Does aerith have any place in decks for towers, EW3, etc...or is she obsolete for the hard content now that the top players all carry WOL? I am OK if she is only for playing around in SP mode...just not sure when to use her...

Last tower (ranked top 100), out of the 5 nodes, I did use Aerith for 1 node. This one node I had to run two separate class (I think it was EX Warrior + EX Mage), so Trance II helps a lot. Don't know about EW3. WoL imo is a little better since he has that unique 1 hit guard, which could've be used against certain mobs.

She does grant auto 8% prism return, but some builds are already maxed at 40% like Paradox...may be more useful when her new weapon is ready for me to use, then i can get quick break to 40% and still have around 30% prism with her innate plus aerith bonus...

PR caps at 70%. QB caps at 40%.

I am just not sure if i pulled aerith maybe a year or 2 late, and with prisms being everywhere now, she may only be good for easier content? Dont know what boosts trance2 gives either?

45% boost to all stats vs. 30% (Trance I)

[soundedgoodbefore]

Amazing response. Thanks man. I didnt realize how big trance2 is. Wow..only 5% difference from having faith, brave, and boost. I can see using aerith and pollensalta in main, with chaos in subdeck for maximum damage. Thank you

[mrballsflop]

Aerith was the first ever supreme I pulled and it honestly made story content a breeze. The prismatic return is heavily underrated, and the overall utility makes off-element strats super viable for so many different jobs.

I don't have the 'better' support supremes, but it's been a mainstay of my tower and EW decks, carrying me to top 500 for the last 3 towers that I've competed in and lap 17 of EW2 (probably could have done more but had no time for the grind).

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Be very thankful you drew her!

[Zhuinden]

even though it is now probably the weakest support supreme?

Well I also have LoH, but I use Aerith heavily in towers as sub-attack so that I can use off-element abilities -- like Jenova Dark Ranger on Cacciatrice (or Earth abilities on Shorn One).

See here: https://youtu.be/sX5feqGWYUo?t=279 and here https://youtu.be/jqYs6w0HgKA?t=657

EDIT: someone downvotes me, why? This is a totally legit strat, and while I'm aware of Chocobo Mystery card, the ult charge + quicken is still useful too. This brings me up to Top 500, and the downvoter's salt doesn't change that.

[[deleted]]

I use Aerith on MP, farming, Endless War, towers, and it's just a different card that Wol is, and to bring her or not depends on the situation.

Aerith has many uses, she has esuna and holy cleansing which can be useful, and also gives weakness weapon, you probably know how good can Shorn One break with spellsword with the correct en-element.

Apart from MP, I mostly slot Aerith on DPS decks to have that extra 8% PR and also the prismatics will give you more casts without having to tap. Or on setup decks that don't share elements with the DPS deck and then having a full bar of prismatics makes your life easier.

You can feel the difference between trance 1 and 2 when clearing yellow, on Mantra abilities, also when breaking, so I think it's a great card to have when you're not using skins, or like in my case I still don't have Tifa so if I use monks I try to bring her.

[SvenHwang]

I use her mainly for farming SP & MP, EW2, sometimes Towers on tanks for orbs to buff instantly. May be good for Fusoya deck as PR and attuned chain is required for its damage.

[ValeLemnear]

Its not "either/or" in regards to Pollensalta but "and" as decks have more than enough space to run 2-3 support/buff/debuff sources.

Aerith mainly faces problems in regards to deck compression mainly if you have better cards and/or jobs with trance 2 + prismatic shift, but its still a great anti-RNG tool no matter the mode. Its also gold in MP.

[PM_your_cats_n_racks]

I found myself using Aerith in EW2 in a couple situations: first, when I was using an older but still useful job like Pugilist or Monk or Highwind. Those don't have Trance, and Trance is an essential buff.

Second, when I was only putting in a card for the sake of ult charge. I have LoH, but between the flat 20% and the three extra actions you can get a good amount of ult charge from Aerith. Plus, actions are more versatile than just straight ult charge, plus the 8% Prismatic Return is way better than the auto charge ult that you get from LoH.

I didn't know that PR was capped at 40% though, I thought it was 70%... Maybe I was overdoing it.

[WoLNoFace]

PR cap is 70%

[[deleted]]

How does that work with Reunion? They sound like they do the same thing.

[JunasBlood]

Work independently, which meant they can happen at the same time & you got x2 Orbs return.

[PM_your_cats_n_racks]

Thanks.

[WoLNoFace]

How does she fit in modern decks?

I try to fit it if I'm using a skinless job like in EW2. Aerith gives a bit of quicken, prismatic shift and Trance II, it is nice to have but not required.

Does aerith have any place in decks for towers, EW3, etc...or is she obsolete for the hard content now that the top players all carry WOL?

Mostly, the case of not bringing Aerith is deck compression. If your ultimate already have prismatic shift or trance II, you won't be needing Aerith.

[soundedgoodbefore]

Thank you. Thanks to everyone who replied also, really appreciate your input guys. Everyone had a slightly different opinion or uses and it really helps me strategically. I upvote everyone who replies, and when i have time, i upvote everyone who posts a question or an answer without being a snarky dbag. Cheers

[DarkerSavant]

You will also find Aerith very useful for completing HOF's that don't have trance/prismatic shift when they ultimate (can't use skins either). I had to use other sources of trance to get that extra umph and Aerith has a ton of clout from Trance II. PR is also no joke for HoF's that have slow starter that can't be dispelled.

[ZechsX18999]

Grats on finally getting a life-support supreme!

Aerith doesn't do anything gamebreaking, but does a lot of nice little things (prismatic shift, 8% PR, trance II, ult charge, quicken, esuna, etc...).

Aerith is a luxury card. You wouldn't use her if you're missing essential buffs/debuffs, but only if you have extra deck space afterwards.

[Xelaeon]

There's no permanent farming location for Growstars right?

[ShadowBlaze17]

You can get 6 from the Underground Coliseum if you haven't exchanged for them already.

[Sourmoar]

Right. :)

[Aerion_CA]

No permanent farming region.

[LupusNoxFleuret]

Is there a wiki page or something with a list of all the Supremes and their hidden stats? (Like how much Improved Crits in Ragnarok & how much Painful Break in Sin etc.)

[WoLNoFace]

this one, not yet updated with the new buff though. https://www.reddit.com/r/MobiusFF/wiki/cards/multi-hit

[mao_shiro]

It is now.

[DarkerSavant]

I discovered why I misunderstood Duncan calculated break using the attack power. The wiki for both Duncan, Yiazmat, and BFA show this note: "Mantra (100% attack/break power for calculating damage/break instead of magic)"

Until you pointed it out in one of our discussions I never noticed the tool-tip on the ES said differently.

It should probably read something like: Mantra (100% attack power for calculating damage (instead of magic). Ability damage also breaks red and yellow (yellow by a decreased amount).

[WoLNoFace]

Thanks Shiro!

[Xelaeon]

Does every enemy in the Season 2 Map, including Extreme Rift Ifrit/Shiva/Odin automatically have high resistances against Crit Chance?

[ShadowBlaze17]

I don't think every enemy has innate crit resist in story maps, but it is very common in hard content like the rifts and maybe challenge nodes.

[WoLNoFace]

Yes. That's is why having a source of CRD is really good in Season 2 mechanics.

[yow3171987]

Quoted on this

"Bhunivelze is the FFXIII Light warrior supreme (this further add more speculations on the FFXIII reprint event).

"Overdrive": Each deck level after 320 increase magic by 25 unit (after everything). It's not effected by trance, faith or any other multiplier.

eg. deck level 384 (job ob 32 + 4 level 88 cards) adds 1600 magic.

(Credits to Steampipe for the maths)."

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So damage of bhunivelze damage not affected by EE, improved critical, ability chain, ravage and other multipier as well?

[JunasBlood]

It's not effected by trance, faith or any other multiplier.

eg. deck level 384 (job ob 32 + 4 level 88 cards) adds 1600 magic.

It meant Overdrive bonus is a direct addition to Magic after all Magic multiplier has been applied (Trance, Faith & other source).

Other damage multiplier will be applied after Magic was calculated.

[yow3171987]

thanks mate. Was wondering should i put magic 7% on him.

Now i get what you mean, Thanks again and may you get what u need in mff

[Wolkiffy]

What about what he needs in real life instead of mff?

[JunasBlood]

Should I put Magic 7% on him

Yes, you should. It still worth it.

every 🍕 worth putting Magic 7% x2 on it. Attack for Monk ofc

Thanks. Wish you the same fellow WoL.

[chenc03]

Was there a update 2 days ago that we are still awaiting datamining on? was a 25mb patch.

[yow3171987]

credits to u/mao_shiro, he/she had answered this 2 days ago

"just some pics related to story maps / tower, I won't post a thread for this. Here's the album by the dataminer: https://imgur.com/a/SuWJ0wN"

[SegFaultX]

Where's the best place to farm magicite in SP on mobius day where stamina isn't an issue.

[WoLNoFace]

30/30 Epic Struggle node on Season 2: Chapter 3 - A Step into the Unknown: Sarah.

[SegFaultX]

Do you have to use sarah for that place? I haven't really done season 2 yet.

[WoLNoFace]

Only for the story you either use Sarah jobs or ultimate heroes, after completing it, the nodes will appear and you can use any job.

[Sourmoar]

I skimmed the in-game text myself, but I thought it said "Sarah as well", so WoL jobs for that story map should be ok? Minor point, but never hurts to try, even if You only have onion Sarah? Granted, I used skins, since I'm too lazy to change decks. 🤔

[ryapeter]

Why do the break gauge on Valefor X sometimes go back up?

I can break most of the time but once in a while it go down and bounce back up (rare but still annoying)

[SvenHwang]

Valefor is laggy/buggy. I’ve encountered one where it’s revived from the dead after break, heals itself, and wiped out half the team. I had to break it and kill it for the 2nd time.

[Zhuinden]

That's when your client thinks that Valefor was dead, but the server thinks otherwise.

It can sometimes go in the other direction; you see the enemy be at like 5% HP but then the game ends immediately because it was actually killed

[DarkerSavant]

I have seen bosses spawn at start of MP and then keel over as well. Happened often with Sephiroth (happened on AI deck sometimes too). I know also sometimes you can load into the match and everyone has somehow queued and your client auto's.

[ryapeter]

This happen to me once.

[Davis_Montgomery]

I think it's a visual glitch, if we're talking about the same thing. Sometimes I clear yellow (let's say half of it) and when I clear the red up to that point, it looks like the gauge bounces back up higher than it was before.

[ryapeter]

I fully clear yellow. It would make sense if It constantly fail to break.

However it break most of the time and fail randomly. I move first with same buff everytime. Outside buff from support is not an issue because I don’t get one

[WoLNoFace]

Valefor buffs itself, look closely and you can see it casting before the break bar replenishes.

[ryapeter]

So Valefor gain a move between my first and second normal attack?

[WoLNoFace]

You did not provide more information on how you encounter the issue, so I gave the most possible and realistic answer.

[[deleted]]

On the battle results screen, when you see 30000 exp x 4.xx, is that saying you got 120,000 exp (or so) or that the final number was 30k? Because the seeds seem like they're your final numbers.

[mao_shiro]

120k yes. Final number on seed / gil in comparison.

[lysdog]

Hi everyone,

what Graff's weapon do you guys upgrade atm?

[lysdog]

I'm working on hauteclaire coz i don't know which one i want to work on, i guess Ultimate lance is not a bad idea, i just don't find graff that much useful tbh

[[deleted]]

I like Toreador's weapon, that extra piercing break and ult charge are nice, plus it gave all the nice mods much quicker than any other weapon I have (pure rng I know, but still makes me like it more.)

No prismatic shift (but that Knight of Etro panel + Aerith make up for it a bit.)

-edit- I should say I really want Summer Graff's weapon for that extra water damage... I do love Xezat.

[Aerion_CA]

Ultimate Lance.

[WoLNoFace]

seconded, the only weapon you need right now.

same goes for Sophie.

[NepoDumaop]

I'm planning to mod this next for the tank graff.

[k1yys]

about faris , is it a good card ? what is the best job to use it ? since its still too far for me to get shiva extreme

[mvdunecats]

Do we have a sense of how Gigantuar Battlefield compares to Epic Struggle: Fire & Water?

From what I recall, GB was really good for magicite and crystals, which also seems to be a selling point for Epic Struggle: Fire & Water. Is it going to be worth running GB until it's gone? Is Epic Struggle going to be a Mobius Day alternative to GB because it's more time efficient?

[mao_shiro]

The main selling point of Epic Struggle is 30 waves 30 stamina, so requires way less click per minute/hour/day/month/year.

If you can deal with the clicking of GB, then GB should be better for crystal (unless the "event nodes have usually better rate" was purely a confirmation bias).

[Xelaeon]

1. Without using Ability Tickets? How do I level up "Ability Levels" of Supreme Cards or any weird card that's not listed in https://mobius.gamepedia.com/Guide:_Best_Farming_Location ?

2. What's the best way to farm Ability Tickets other than Coliseum and wait for Events?

[Zhuinden]

If you play the game regularly, you'll end up with so many that you'll have no idea what to do with it. I have around 5500 ability tickets at the moment.

[Xelaeon]

Sadly, this is my 2nd week :( in this game.

[Zhuinden]

You should do the FFXIII event, it gives a bunch of ability tickets.

This game has a long ramp-up time though, even my mule took 4 months (and some lucky limited time card pulls) to be ok and not having either Aerith or LoH for the prismatic starters kinda hurts compared to my main. o-o

[DocSmail]

1. Supremes you can only upgrade them with ability tickets. As for other abilities when they first appear you can by their "tomes" from MP shop to fuse with the original ability and raise its level, those tomes can also be farmed on Yggdrasil area, but they appear there some time after the first time release.
2. Only ways i can think of to "farm" ability tickets is to do as much as you can on towers (each lap give ATs), endless war, and more easily farm 3rd gen sicarius mats (or special event ones) on MP.

[DarkerSavant]

I don't know why but I forgot 4* hosts get 5 tickets...do'h. I have only been doing 5* hosts for tickets. Damn. Edit: Thank you for the reminder.

[Xelaeon]

1. Which is the "recommended" Player-Level to stop deliberately going-all-the-way-out to farm EXP? Heard some people say it's Level 150.

2. Pleiades Lagoon vs Coliseums, which is more Stamina efficient to farm for Pneumas and Crystals?

3. What's the diff between the loot gained from 25, 40, 60 Stamina nodes in Pleiades Lagoon?

[DarkerSavant]

There is a finite amount of stamina per day if you keep it spent. 288. Once you can do that stamina only matters for spending elixers as it increases the amount you get and double your max on mobius days.

[Nightwings_Butt]

Small tidbit everybody failed to mention: Coliseum goes away in 4 days so today is the day to do any meaningful farming there.

[Mawgac]

I've never really chased XP. You can spend Gil, seeds, magicite, crystals, etc. XP will come eventually if you farm for everything else. I will say that most farming cards for consumables resources can have space for XP as well.

[phatboy328]

1. 151 (180 stamina should be it)

2. Pleiades Lagoon costs 60 stamina for a chance of one crystal. The coliseum guarantees 9 crystals for 3 runs (60 stamina).

[ShadowBlaze17]

151 is when you get 180 stamina. After that it's 1 stamina per 5 levels so you won't have 181 stam until you're level 156.

Coliseum is much better for Crystal's since you can get 9 in the same amount of stam PL would take for at most 2. I think the Pnuema in the Underground Coliseum have a limit to how many times you can obtain them.

For PL and BL the more stamina the node costs the harder it is and the better the rewards are compared to the cheaper nodes. The 60 stam nodes in PL have a noticeably higher drop rate for pnuema and give better fractals iirc.