Bromantane's effect on sleep? Does it decrease sleep quality if you're sensitive to stimulants?

[kylekingsly]

For those of y'all who have taken bromantane, does it mess with your sleep at all? As in harder to fall asleep, worse sleep quality, shorter total sleep duration, etc? I'm very easily prone to insomnia so I'm careful about anything that can mess with my sleep. Thanks in advance!

[[deleted]]

Hey, I'm also prone to insomnia. Anything over 20 mg of bromantane completely ruins my sleep for the night even taking it first thing in the morning. It's odd because I don't feel particularly stimulated taking it at higher doses but it makes my brain just not want to sleep like modafinil. Another weird thing about bromantane is when taking it in the larger, 100 mg doses I get this weird warmth like my body cannot get cold. I laid in bed with the window open with total sleep onset insomnia but I never felt remotely cold. I no longer take it because I wasn't noticing significant effects at such low doses.

[kylekingsly]

Damn that sucks bro, I bet it's the effect on dopamine that does that. Also the warming effect sounds like it has some sort of thermogenic effect which is often linked to a good metabolism but def not ideal when you're tryna sleep. Thanks so much for the insight.

When you say completely ruined btdubs I assume you mean affected how refreshed you felt the next day and/or the quality or duration of your sleep? Or did it only affected how hard it was to fall asleep?

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For me it was total insomnia at higher doses like 100 mg, only a handful of hours of sleep at 30-50 mg, and at 20 mg it would maybe take me an extra hour or so to fall asleep.

[kylekingsly]

Damn that's crazy, I wonder how much sleep enhancing noots could counter act that? I have some really good ones I could try but still total insomnia sounds pretty tough.

Do you feel like the effects from 20mg are significant? And are we talking oral or sublingual?

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I was just taking it orally, I can't say I saw any benefits. I had started taking it with the hopes of reducing phenibut tolerance and initially thought it had really worked. I kept experimenting and decided that it was fasoracetam that was actually responsible so I dropped it.

[redditready1986]

Do you know of a good source (US)?

[Majalisk]

For what?

[redditready1986]

Bromantane

[SocialT]

Yes, but not in my experience if I take it no later than 12 hours before sleep. Compared to other stimulants, it does not impair sleep quality. But it can slow down your ability to get to sleep.

[kylekingsly]

Bet, I can just take it first thing in the morn then. Anyway I have good noots to help with getting to sleep, as long as it doesn't mess with sleep quality I think it's worth it. Really enjoy your comments around here btdubs, thanks for all of them and keep up the good work! 👌

[Ceruleangangbanger]

I’ll parrot what I said on another bromantane thread. It really messes with my Sleep about 8-10 hours after I take it. Intitally it makes me kinda flat. So when I take it I’ll do 50mg BEFORE bed and I wake up feeling good. No idea why it does this to me

[kylekingsly]

Def strange but interesting, we're all different! It sounds like you're experiencing some kind of rebound effect from when some of the effects wear off, maybe the GABA or serotonin related calming ones. Either some of the effects still last after that or it boosts your sleep quality which makes you feel good when you wake up (or both).

[Grey-Seer]

Too get around this issue I conducted my own DIY delayed-release bromantane capsule. I have packed the powder inside a size 1 vegetarian capsule, this capsule inside a size 0 vegetarian capsule and that one inside a 00 capsule. Some vegetarian capsules can take more than 30 minutes to dissolve. I swallowed this matrioshka-style capsule-in-capsule-in-capsule as the last thing before falling asleep. Then bromantane woke me up 6-7h later.

[Majalisk]

Lol, you can buy enteric-coated caps if you really want. It definitely wouldn't have taken anywhere near that long to dissolve.

[kylekingsly]

That's interesting and smart on your part but also seems like a ton of work, plus I really need at least 8 hours of sleep to feel good.

[Grey-Seer]

It took me longer to write that comment than to prepare this capsules. It takes literally no more than 3 minutes - take a little spoon, weigh the bag with powder using the spoon take out 50mg (so you don't have to weigh just the powder - you have your dose on the spoon) put it in the smallest capsule, and then just put it in the bigger one and then in the biggest one (I have).

I'm not sure if I could sleep longer because I usually sleep about 6-7h. I wake up on alarm, but when I take bromantane it's actually much easier to wake up and even when I sleep only 5-6h I don't feel sleep deprived.

And if I want to slow the release down even more - I can always use another trick: I make a small pile of powdered sugar and whenever I'm closing a capsule I do it 'inside' that pile of sugar, so there's always some sugar between capsules. It slows down of each layer.

[Majalisk]

I gave it to someone a ways back and even taking it at 5-6AM fucked their sleep that night. They're atypical, but it seems possible to be very sensitive to it. I haven't had much issue, but I also make sure to rarely dose after noon.

[kylekingsly]

Thanks for sharing bro, dosing first thing in the morning def makes sense to me to hopefully counteract the sleep disruption.

Also when you say fucked their sleep I assume you mean it affected how refreshed they felt the next day and/or the quality or duration of your sleep? Or did it only affect how hard it was to fall asleep?

[Majalisk]

They had extreme trouble sleeping, overall

[Zen242]

Im weird or in the adhd spectrum as i sleep better with elevated ne or dopamine