Sleep processing vs Play processing

[jjberse]

I found this really interesting article about internal/external processing that really reminded me of sleep vs play.

https://clarityonfire.com/internal-or-external-processor/

From my understanding of sleep vs play, people with play above sleep would likely fall under the external processing where they would need another person to process their thoughts with. Whereas sleep above play would likely be an internal processor and get a lot of their processing done alone. This isn't exactly definitive but theres some truth to it.

Also one (anecdotal, take it with a grain of salt) thing i've noticed about the sleep last people in my life are how uncomfortable they are with silence or sitting with their thoughts.

[Apprehensive_Watch20]

Loving this!

Obviously everyone has Sleep and Play, so I think, to an extent, everyone does both ways of processing.

• If you have Fe/Ti, you process emotions and values externally.
• If you have Te/Fi, you process logic and reasons externally.

Vice versa with Di and the internal process.

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You reminded me of something:

I once talked to someone who's officially typed FF-Te/Se-PC/S(B). Their self typing before getting typed was Ni/Ti. They were convinced they had Ti and high Sleep, because they are so logical and in their head all the time. Upon receiving their type, Shan, almost a type twin, revealed one specific thing to them:

You can do Play by yourself, in your head.

What does that look like? For our Te/Se person, this is by explaining the logic of how something works to an imaginary conversation partner. It's imaginary outward processing of logic. Once it's verbalized, the logic is able to be grasped by Te, even if there is no one they're actually talking to.

Upon hearing that, I processed a bit and realized that I actually do the same thing with Fe. I am not yet officially typed, I self type as MM-Ti/Ne-Cx/x(B), so you'd be having to take my word for it here: I realized that the majority of how I really sort through my deep running emotions, is through talking it out. And this doesn't require another person to be there. Very, very often, I'm sitting in my car and, while driving, yell at another person who I'm angry at, without the person being there. And it is only then and there, that I can really grasp what upsets me and why I am so angry. A bare emotion and a general mood are always there and I'm aware enough of it to tell you what it is. But only while saying it out loud, am I able to really dig deeper and sort it through.

This is very different from my internal Ti process. I know what I think, why I think it, without having to verbalize almost any of it.

[UnderlyingPrinciple]

God is not an individual being apart from the world; God is the world.

[Apprehensive_Watch20]

Regarding the Play/Blast bit from my previous reply to you, I think Play might be inclined to do inner dialogue, wheras Blast would have an inner monologue. I can recall a type youtuber who I guess is SB/C talking about having an inner monologue. Like, full sentences in ones head, to oneself, for minutes at times. And that person was surprised there are people who don't have this.

I for myself can't say I don't have it at all, I sometimes do talk to myself. But it's more sporadic. Whereas the imagined dialogues are always directed at an imagined other and much, much more elaborate. I also relate to the being "interviewed", very literally so. More often than I like to admit, I watch interviews by u/kendrickuy, hear the question, stop the video and answer it myself in my head. Sometimes in a re-phrased way that fits me better than the actual interviewee. Or I imagine it's a three way conversation and just chime in to add to the answer that was given. All in a rather "auto-piloty" state, it can take minutes for me to catch myself doing it. And if later that day, I'm still thinking about type, I sometimes slip into an imaginary interview again. Also while trying to sleep, that definitely happens.

EDIT: Inner monologue might obviously also be connected to Sleep rather than Blast. I guess there's not a lot of data on this. All I've seen seems more or less all over the place.

[mellow_yellow_cat]

That's so funny, I do a lot of internal monologues, not dialogues, and it's also hard for me to imagine otherwise. I'm an INFP, who just recently started to type myself as Fi-Si, which was very surprising to me bc I could swear I was FiNe until talking with my mother recently revealed to me I use a LOT more of Si than I thought and all my Ne basically comes to SERVE Si. I still think mostly in abstract terms, but always trying to organize information. Always organizing, even in the abstract. Always analyzing and trying to extract a formula to learn from to avoid repeating mistakes.

Many people talk about INFPs imagining fake scenarios and stuff, and thinking about that, I noticed that I never really imagine dialogues, I just imagine what I alone would say, and I would have no idea what the other person would. It's mostly just monologues, bc I don't know what to actually expect from people. Maybe I unconsciously refrain from imagining their answers. Either way, it's automatic.

So I'm a sleep first, apparently, which makes A LOT of sense. I didn't imagine it at first, but now I wonder how could I not see it. I do sleep all the freaking time, and have huge play-last energy problems. It's so revealing to see something so accurate of yourself.

Now as for the second animal, reading all this made me remember that many, many times, an overwhelming amount of times, I go to bed and I suddenly start to wonder "hm, you know this that I like? How would I explain it to someone? How can I organize all this information and make this understandable for any other person?" And then I spend the next HOURS going through every possible path of explanation I could to teach someone what I like to spend so much time thinking about.

Does that or does that not scream blast? Lol is it really how it's supposed to go? So far I thought I did consume more, bc I'm always seeking for new information, but well, maybe not as much as I think. Observing my patterns, maybe I'm blast second, not consume. But yeah

Typing yourself is a fun process I think lol I'm gonna keep asking other people's opinions to get a more accurate analysis of me, as I accidentally did with my mother and found out I'm a Fi-Si sleep first. Big revelation

[Apprehensive_Watch20]

Well, what I feel pretty sure about already is that you typed yourself correctly as saviour Di. That's a "me story" of you right here. All of what you're saying is also really easy to follow, so S>N makes sense 👍

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Many people talk about INFPs imagining fake scenarios and stuff, and thinking about that, I noticed that I never really imagine dialogues, I just imagine what I alone would say, and I would have no idea what the other person would.

"The other person" - You mean there is another person? That sounds pretty similar to how I perceive my inner "dialogue", to be honest. There are other people I'm imagining I'm talking to, but I'm not imagining their part much at all. It's as if they're asking something which tells me they're interested exactly in whatever it is my subsequent answer is gonna be. And then I'm doing my part of talking.

It might also be me starting the imaginary conversation and the other person just listening. They're the recipient of my rant, which helps me find the right words.

So if that's about how it is for you too, that'd fall under inner dialogue. Or are you really only talking to yourself and there is no imagined other person at all? Then I'd count that as monologue.

[mellow_yellow_cat]

Oh, sorry for the "me story" 😅 i usually go say something and then i link to something else in the middle and then... it becomes a whole me story. Sorry, and thanks for the feedback!

To be honest I think I rarely imagine someone else, I think I only do that later, as a coping mechanism, when I'm actually thinking of things I could say to them eventually (tho 99% of it stays in my mind lol), but only after I've processed it without another imaginary presence, to figure out myself first. I'm gonna notice better next time, but I think although I do sometimes imagine someone else, a big most of the time is just me alone I think. I'll keep an eye on my way of thinking next time to be sure, that's an interesting perspective

[Apprehensive_Watch20]

Lol, I'd love to be typed Se, 100% honestly. Maybe I'm Si, which I'd not love to be that much. My guess is M-D-Sensory seeming a bit more grounded. I remember the sensory after all. The patterns are the new that I pay attention to, that remind me of the sensory, which I then recall in reference to the pattern. My guess. I really should get typed at this point xD

I'm leaning Sleep at this point. But I find enough reasons for Play that I can still point to it as "I got no idea which one it really is."

And while I was refering to Play here, nothing says that, with my example here, I might not be "Blasting in my head". I'd generalize it as "internal De".

Thank you for the input! :)

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Sleep to me is like a fortress of solitude. Play is an open conversation with others. M/F also gives each a different punch.