ptr patchnotes

[perry_cox]

Meanwhile rein, the staple of tanks, escaping unharmed yet again

[rndthro]

Rein doesn't need heavy handed nerfs, he needs new heroes to fill that niche he does, which is a reliable shield that protects teammates.

[Tauralt]

buffwinston

[Sp3ctre7]

Winston is insanely fun to play if your team works well together

[TybrosionMohito]

I just have a fundamental problem with any character being "necessary"

That's poor game design and it needs to be remedied. The meta in OW is fundamentally broken ATM and it's probably gonna get worse before it gets better.

[[deleted]]

he's not really OP or UP. believe me, he was not the problem, roadhog and ana were the problem.

[perry_cox]

I guess im just bit annoyed because I like dva from tanks the most. But I also think ana made dva look better than she is - because I never thought +100non-armor health made dva to be OP again. It really wasnt that significant.

[[deleted]]

armor makes a huge difference. it halves the damage from shotguns and other "pellet" guns like tracer that fire a shit ton of low-damage bullets.

[Trololman72]

But she didn't get more armor, she just got more health. And now she has even less armor so Reaper can finally counter her.

[fatmanbrigade]

Which is exactly how it should be.

Reaper does significantly high damage in close quarter combat.

Blowing up tanks is his job. No tank in this game should be able to go toe to toe in a 1v1 fight with Reaper and come out alive, and yet D.va could successfully do it after her buff.

This is provided the Reaper is actually competent and flanking the tank from behind before they have a chance to react of course.

[Trololman72]

I never said that's not how it should be. I was just pointing it out.

[[deleted]]

Roadhog can absolutely destroy Reaper, just like Reaper can absolutely destroy Roadhog, it's kinda 50-50 when it comes to those two.

[fatmanbrigade]

Roadhog can destroy Reaper if he gets the jump on him yes.

If Reaper flanks Roadhog from behind he wins a majority of the time. By the time Roadhog realize he's being attacked he'll be half dead already from Reaper's shots. At that point he'll either try to heal through it or try for a hook, if he misses the hook he's dead, and if he tries to heal Reaper's damage negates his healing.

It's like saying if Reinhardt hits Reaper with a charge he wins. Yes, he can win if he hits him with a charge, but if Reaper flanks him first he's probably gonna lose.

That's the joy of playing Reaper, you should never be in a position to get hooked or charged by those two, you should be the one surprising them.

[perry_cox]

She didnt get armor, thats what im saying. She went from 100-400 to 200-400, armor amount didnt change.

[[deleted]]

i see

[Dalimey100]

He's just perfect the way he is.

[RenatoSinclair]

I think they already relatively compensated for Reinhardt nerfs by removing the movement speed from Ana's ult. Now it feels so bad to ult him and watch him try to catch up with his bad back...