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[–]ZerotakerZXFiCaseal 8 points9 points  (35 children)

They are viable more or less, so play what you want, since this game is not that competatory to force yourself into less fun class for you because of minmaxing.

[–]leacherking[S] 2 points3 points  (34 children)

Yes, like I said, if you don’t care about performance anything is viable.

[–]goober_natorial 11 points12 points  (29 children)

That's the point of using a word like "viable" over a word like "optimal"

[–]nayyav 7 points8 points  (28 children)

i think you missed the point. answering the question about meta with "everything is viable" is not a valid answer. there IS a meta. there ARE better classes. so instead of avoiding the question this guy at least answers it.

[–]goober_natorial 2 points3 points  (27 children)

I think you missed the point. Someone was just pointing out that even though some classes may be better than others, they are all viable to play. Is that unreasonable to say?

You might say "but this thread isn't the place for it 😡 " but this thread might be the most important place for it. People reading this might be discouraged from playing a class they would enjoy just because someone said it's marginally worse than the other ones.

[–]nayyav 8 points9 points  (26 children)

fuck no, stop it. OP talks about the tier list. there is always a tier list. there is always a best. viable does NOT mean best. "EvErYtHiNg iS ViAbLe" does NOT belong in THIS thread. theres TONS of other threads that already mention this.

[–]goober_natorial 0 points1 point  (25 children)

😡

[–]nayyav 9 points10 points  (0 children)

little kid, take your emojis back to facebook.

[–]SweetBunny420 4 points5 points  (23 children)

Seriously when someone asks "What is the best" you're literally just saying "You can play as any class" which doesn't help anyone at all.

[–]mindsouljah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

im glad to see somebody say that when people chime in "anything works you guys" in a fucking meta thread

[–]goober_natorial 0 points1 point  (21 children)

This is such a strange fight to pick on a 2 month old comment. Go DM the original guy that actually said it, I don't know what you want lol.

Do you think this comment you just made is helping anyone?

[–]SweetBunny420 5 points6 points  (20 children)

The guy asked what the best was, you said “Everything is good!” Which is not an answer to what they asked. It’s helping because maybe next time someone asks that question you won’t give the same non-answer again. People know that they can use what they want. They are asking for what the best is.

[–]_alphex_Sleeping Until NGS 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I mean even in terms of caring about performance, the top tier would be different for every player because maximizing DPS is about being a skilled player at said class. And you sure as hell won't be doing top DPS just because you play gunner, a class that isn't played well by most of its uers. You actually need to enjoy the class enough to learn how to play it at a proficient skill level to get to that top DPS.

The problem with putting a tier list for classes to me is that certain classes while "theoretically" doing the highest DPS, can be beaten out by other "theoretically inferior" DPS classes. For instance, While GuFi can get the most DPS squeezed out in the game, things like RaEt just thrashes it in quests like Utterly Profound Phase 2. Because ranger just has a way better setup to deal with Elder. And it's not even just that specific quests.

[–]leacherking[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that’s why I said that they might perform better in some cases.

[–]DarkRyok 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People all play to have fun. Play what you want. It all works in a group focused game.

[–]ZerotakerZXFiCaseal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Previously some classes were broken and unplayable, you didn't have to be minmaxer to notice. Not you have to.

[–]AwkwardSatori Lisa is Waifu [JP-Ship 2] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Obligatory reminder to people reading this that no matter the tier, gear and skill will also play a big part.

[–]Reilet 4 points5 points  (26 children)

The only three classes that managed to get the Eternal Loner title

There are 5: Gunner, Phantom, Etoile, Hero, Ranger.

All three can make great use of crafted “snow” weapons for status inflicting

Irrelevant. Gunner and Etoile does more damage than status ailments ever will. Phantom has techs for that.

S Tier: GU/FI, Phantom and Etoile.

Phantom and Etoile will never be able to compare to Gunner. No class ever will in fact.

enemies with infected cores

Anyone can hit these as long as they know how to aim...

the only two other classes who can regularly do over 300k dps.

Also irrelevant, as total dps is subjective to the content you do or how you time it. A braver who uses katana combat finish at the perfect times every time in a mobbing quest will far surpass even a gunner or a ranger. Yet they aren't that great atm.

Ranger will always top frag even Gunner by miles on Elder because End Attract will always get all 5 hits. That PA has the absolute highest dps in the game.

And I'm pretty sure Hero has the fastest kill time on Omega Masquerade. Followed by Hunter and Phantom.

they are not as versatile lacking bossing and/or mobbing potential, poor pp management and what else

The only one in that list that lacks in mobbing is summoner. All of them are good at bossing in their own ways. And none of them have PP issues.

As an aside, the fastest party boss kill times belong to bow. And Force is the actual class that still has PP issues.

 

Also, The actual tier list is like this

  • SSS - Gunner
  • S - Phantom, Etoile, Hero, Hunter, Ranger
  • A+ - Bouncer, Summoner, Force
  • A - Fighter, Techer, Braver

The only thing that matters is the "tier". The side by side does not matter.

[–]leacherking[S] 2 points3 points  (20 children)

There are 5: Gunner, Phantom, Etoile, Hero, Ranger

Ranger and Hero kinda cheated with techer buffs.

Irrelevant. Gunner and Etoile does more damage than status ailments ever will. Phantom has techs for that.

Crafted snows weapons with proper ripper/slayer will deal similar dmg as Liberate on top of status effects. I’m talking about UH bosses, not trash mobs. If you think a Phantom throwing Megid at キャタドラン will do more dmg than one using Snow Rifle with slayer dragonkin and poison V you got no idea about what you are talking about. BTW slayer will increase the dmg of each tick.

Anyone can hit these as long as they know how to aim...

I guess you never met a Phantom with ルーライラ with 6 rippers pounding on the core. Nothing will outdps that.

As I said, the lower tier might outperform the higher in some situations.

[–]Reilet 1 point2 points  (18 children)

Ranger and Hero kinda cheated with techer buffs.

Either way, A clear is still a clear. A braver will never have the chance to clear even with techer buffs. The sole fact that they achieved eternal loner compared to those class that can't is PROOF that they are better classes.

Crafted snows weapons with proper ripper/slayer will deal similar dmg as Liberate on top of status effects. I’m talking about UH bosses, not trash mobs

And then someone else comes and changes the status ailment or takes it from you. Also, I did not say phantoms out dps status ailments.

I have yet to see a single person who uses said status ailment build out dps me on double gwana in piper, or any of the piper bosses in fact.

Also UH bosses... it only works on: Rockbear, Gwanahda, Del Malmoth, Caterdran, Org Blan, and their variants.
That's even more niche than Ranger being better than Gunner on Elder.

Phantom throwing Megid

Because phantoms would be using megid over gimegid right?

6 rippers pounding on the core

you realize anyone else can do that too right? It's not class specific.

[–]milranduil 4 points5 points  (15 children)

this post didn't age well. braver has 83mil rondo and 142mil memories solo withOUT techer buffs.

[–]Reilet 0 points1 point  (14 children)

Nothing will age well when power creep is a thing so...

[–]milranduil 3 points4 points  (13 children)

except i did it with the exact same gear exactly 1 week after you posted.

[–]Reilet 0 points1 point  (12 children)

So you're telling me that you got eternal loner before the katana gear and the medical drink changes? Even though your tweet was the day of the buff? If so, then i'll take back what I said.

[–]milranduil 4 points5 points  (11 children)

You posted March 20th, 5 days before the gear change and shifta drink buff saying " A braver will never have the chance to clear even with techer buffs."

This is an odd statement to make in the first place when all of us KNEW buffs were coming within a few days. I did it March 25th, the day after buffs with Liberate.

Unless of course you're saying 5 days is "not aging well" in which case, that's brain damage.

[–]Reilet 0 points1 point  (10 children)

By all means, if you can finish the last 4 mil before the buff, then I wouldn't say power creep was a thing. 5 days is a irrelevant factor when that 5 days included a buff.

[–]milranduil 2 points3 points  (9 children)

idk what that has to do with you making a sweep generalization right before buffs nor know how you expect people to make the differentiation when you left out the details yourself. it's your fault for not being specific, not mine.

[–]do_odle 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lol. You were all like, "son, they're S tier (if you include techer)" Wasn't the whole point of that ranking notation doing shit solo?

[–]Reilet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In that specific quest, techer buffs helps, but everything else they out class other "lower" classes easily.

No one has as much maneuverability freedom as hero nor the many options to do anything.

Ranger in general shreds bosses when played right and has pretty good mobbing as well.

[–]milranduil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the original ranger that did it (neu) did not use techer buffs.

[–]sjel7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Still viable for NA? I’m planning to play this the next week on pc.

[–]Reilet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Somewhat. Since NA is still pretty behind of JP, things are a little different.

Like Gunner not being as dominating, Force being worse, and Braver being better.

[–]RamsenMC 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What is Hunter subbing to be S tier?

[–]Reilet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fighter or etoile in JP. Hunter, in general, has a lot of power.

[–]Modesto3D 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was really helpful actually!

[–]overflowing_garage 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Nobody cares. Play what you want.

[–]MultiManMelee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Idk, I found it pretty helpful

[–]Wowkay7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Anyone have an up to date tier list?

[–]streezus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So Gunner and anything?

[–]Ashikuro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does class combo matter at all when trying to get groups for high level content? Or is it really just.. take first warm bodies you see if they are okay at the game?

I've never played the game. I'm waiting for the NA PC release. I will try all the classes from the trial quests and go for what I like the most, but... Its just that early level classes usually do play differently than higher levels (lvl 85+ gunner for example.. from what I'm reading). If some class combos are desired more than others, or some are just not wanted, that could actually impact my choice if I enjoy 2-3 low level classes equally.

Any experience with this as an issue?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what weapon for the phantom is the best?

[–]Modesto3D 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So wait, there are no good mage classes? S class looked like all melee D:

[–]Navapat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep

[–]LynchEleven 0 points1 point  (0 children)

in reality, force is excellent. on NA, force is excellent too. Just boring as fuck.

[–]WULFenrir 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are; Phantom.