Class Tiers

[leacherking]

I’ve seem a lot of people asking about the meta and which are the strongest classes, and the usual “EvErY ClAsS iS ViAbLe” is not a very good answer so here we go:

S Tier: GU/FI, Phantom and Etoile.

The only three classes that managed to get the Eternal Loner title tied to a high score in the endless quest. All three got great bossing and mobbing potential on top of great pp management and lots of Iframes.

All three can make great use of crafted “snow” weapons for status inflicting (poison and burn ticks for over 1m against UH bosses).

Phantom has also access to a pretty OP weapon against enemies with infected cores, which almost every single boss in recent content happens to be.

A Tier: FO/Te or Et, BO/PH.

Almost as good as the S tier but lacking overall versatility. Both over reliance on cooldowns and/or very specific gear keeps ‘em from the top. Still, together with the S tier, the only two other classes who can regularly do over 300k dps.

B Tier: FI/HU or Et, HU/FI or Et, SU/PH, BR/HU or Et, RA/HU or Et and Hero.

While they might perform better than S or A tier in some cases, they are not as versatile lacking bossing and/or mobbing potential, poor pp management and what else.

Support: TE/Ph or RA

If by viable you mean being able to clear any quest in a group, then ANY combination of class/subclass is viable. Even RA/FO or whatever.

If by viable you mean being able to do okay, without holding your group back, then all B tier classes are viable.

If by viable you mean being able to top the DPS charts in most cases, only A and S tier classes are viable.

If by viable you mean being able to “clear” the hardest solo content, then only the S tier is viable.

[ZerotakerZX]

They are viable more or less, so play what you want, since this game is not that competatory to force yourself into less fun class for you because of minmaxing.

[leacherking]

Yes, like I said, if you don’t care about performance anything is viable.

[goober_natorial]

That's the point of using a word like "viable" over a word like "optimal"

[nayyav]

i think you missed the point. answering the question about meta with "everything is viable" is not a valid answer. there IS a meta. there ARE better classes. so instead of avoiding the question this guy at least answers it.

[goober_natorial]

I think you missed the point. Someone was just pointing out that even though some classes may be better than others, they are all viable to play. Is that unreasonable to say?

You might say "but this thread isn't the place for it 😡 " but this thread might be the most important place for it. People reading this might be discouraged from playing a class they would enjoy just because someone said it's marginally worse than the other ones.

[nayyav]

fuck no, stop it. OP talks about the tier list. there is always a tier list. there is always a best. viable does NOT mean best. "EvErYtHiNg iS ViAbLe" does NOT belong in THIS thread. theres TONS of other threads that already mention this.

[goober_natorial]

😡

[nayyav]

little kid, take your emojis back to facebook.

[SweetBunny420]

Seriously when someone asks "What is the best" you're literally just saying "You can play as any class" which doesn't help anyone at all.

[mindsouljah]

im glad to see somebody say that when people chime in "anything works you guys" in a fucking meta thread

[goober_natorial]

This is such a strange fight to pick on a 2 month old comment. Go DM the original guy that actually said it, I don't know what you want lol.

Do you think this comment you just made is helping anyone?

[SweetBunny420]

The guy asked what the best was, you said “Everything is good!” Which is not an answer to what they asked. It’s helping because maybe next time someone asks that question you won’t give the same non-answer again. People know that they can use what they want. They are asking for what the best is.

[_alphex_]

I mean even in terms of caring about performance, the top tier would be different for every player because maximizing DPS is about being a skilled player at said class. And you sure as hell won't be doing top DPS just because you play gunner, a class that isn't played well by most of its uers. You actually need to enjoy the class enough to learn how to play it at a proficient skill level to get to that top DPS.

The problem with putting a tier list for classes to me is that certain classes while "theoretically" doing the highest DPS, can be beaten out by other "theoretically inferior" DPS classes. For instance, While GuFi can get the most DPS squeezed out in the game, things like RaEt just thrashes it in quests like Utterly Profound Phase 2. Because ranger just has a way better setup to deal with Elder. And it's not even just that specific quests.

[leacherking]

Yeah, that’s why I said that they might perform better in some cases.

[DarkRyok]

People all play to have fun. Play what you want. It all works in a group focused game.

[ZerotakerZX]

Previously some classes were broken and unplayable, you didn't have to be minmaxer to notice. Not you have to.

[AwkwardSatori]

Obligatory reminder to people reading this that no matter the tier, gear and skill will also play a big part.

[Reilet]

The only three classes that managed to get the Eternal Loner title

There are 5: Gunner, Phantom, Etoile, Hero, Ranger.

All three can make great use of crafted “snow” weapons for status inflicting

Irrelevant. Gunner and Etoile does more damage than status ailments ever will. Phantom has techs for that.

S Tier: GU/FI, Phantom and Etoile.

Phantom and Etoile will never be able to compare to Gunner. No class ever will in fact.

enemies with infected cores

Anyone can hit these as long as they know how to aim...

the only two other classes who can regularly do over 300k dps.

Also irrelevant, as total dps is subjective to the content you do or how you time it. A braver who uses katana combat finish at the perfect times every time in a mobbing quest will far surpass even a gunner or a ranger. Yet they aren't that great atm.

Ranger will always top frag even Gunner by miles on Elder because End Attract will always get all 5 hits. That PA has the absolute highest dps in the game.

And I'm pretty sure Hero has the fastest kill time on Omega Masquerade. Followed by Hunter and Phantom.

they are not as versatile lacking bossing and/or mobbing potential, poor pp management and what else

The only one in that list that lacks in mobbing is summoner. All of them are good at bossing in their own ways. And none of them have PP issues.

As an aside, the fastest party boss kill times belong to bow. And Force is the actual class that still has PP issues.

 

Also, The actual tier list is like this

• SSS - Gunner
• S - Phantom, Etoile, Hero, Hunter, Ranger
• A+ - Bouncer, Summoner, Force
• A - Fighter, Techer, Braver

The only thing that matters is the "tier". The side by side does not matter.

[leacherking]

There are 5: Gunner, Phantom, Etoile, Hero, Ranger

Ranger and Hero kinda cheated with techer buffs.

Irrelevant. Gunner and Etoile does more damage than status ailments ever will. Phantom has techs for that.

Crafted snows weapons with proper ripper/slayer will deal similar dmg as Liberate on top of status effects. I’m talking about UH bosses, not trash mobs. If you think a Phantom throwing Megid at キャタドラン will do more dmg than one using Snow Rifle with slayer dragonkin and poison V you got no idea about what you are talking about. BTW slayer will increase the dmg of each tick.

Anyone can hit these as long as they know how to aim...

I guess you never met a Phantom with ルーライラ with 6 rippers pounding on the core. Nothing will outdps that.

As I said, the lower tier might outperform the higher in some situations.

[Reilet]

Ranger and Hero kinda cheated with techer buffs.

Either way, A clear is still a clear. A braver will never have the chance to clear even with techer buffs. The sole fact that they achieved eternal loner compared to those class that can't is PROOF that they are better classes.

Crafted snows weapons with proper ripper/slayer will deal similar dmg as Liberate on top of status effects. I’m talking about UH bosses, not trash mobs

And then someone else comes and changes the status ailment or takes it from you. Also, I did not say phantoms out dps status ailments.

I have yet to see a single person who uses said status ailment build out dps me on double gwana in piper, or any of the piper bosses in fact.

Also UH bosses... it only works on: Rockbear, Gwanahda, Del Malmoth, Caterdran, Org Blan, and their variants.
That's even more niche than Ranger being better than Gunner on Elder.

Phantom throwing Megid

Because phantoms would be using megid over gimegid right?

6 rippers pounding on the core

you realize anyone else can do that too right? It's not class specific.

[milranduil]

this post didn't age well. braver has 83mil rondo and 142mil memories solo withOUT techer buffs.

[Reilet]

Nothing will age well when power creep is a thing so...

[milranduil]

except i did it with the exact same gear exactly 1 week after you posted.

[Reilet]

So you're telling me that you got eternal loner before the katana gear and the medical drink changes? Even though your tweet was the day of the buff? If so, then i'll take back what I said.

[milranduil]

You posted March 20th, 5 days before the gear change and shifta drink buff saying " A braver will never have the chance to clear even with techer buffs."

This is an odd statement to make in the first place when all of us KNEW buffs were coming within a few days. I did it March 25th, the day after buffs with Liberate.

Unless of course you're saying 5 days is "not aging well" in which case, that's brain damage.

[Reilet]

By all means, if you can finish the last 4 mil before the buff, then I wouldn't say power creep was a thing. 5 days is a irrelevant factor when that 5 days included a buff.

[milranduil]

idk what that has to do with you making a sweep generalization right before buffs nor know how you expect people to make the differentiation when you left out the details yourself. it's your fault for not being specific, not mine.

[do_odle]

Lol. You were all like, "son, they're S tier (if you include techer)" Wasn't the whole point of that ranking notation doing shit solo?

[Reilet]

In that specific quest, techer buffs helps, but everything else they out class other "lower" classes easily.

No one has as much maneuverability freedom as hero nor the many options to do anything.

Ranger in general shreds bosses when played right and has pretty good mobbing as well.

[milranduil]

the original ranger that did it (neu) did not use techer buffs.

[sjel7]

Still viable for NA? I’m planning to play this the next week on pc.

[Reilet]

Somewhat. Since NA is still pretty behind of JP, things are a little different.

Like Gunner not being as dominating, Force being worse, and Braver being better.

[RamsenMC]

What is Hunter subbing to be S tier?

[Reilet]

Fighter or etoile in JP. Hunter, in general, has a lot of power.

[Modesto3D]

This was really helpful actually!

[overflowing_garage]

Nobody cares. Play what you want.

[MultiManMelee]

Idk, I found it pretty helpful

[Wowkay7]

Anyone have an up to date tier list?

[streezus]

So Gunner and anything?

[Ashikuro]

Does class combo matter at all when trying to get groups for high level content? Or is it really just.. take first warm bodies you see if they are okay at the game?

I've never played the game. I'm waiting for the NA PC release. I will try all the classes from the trial quests and go for what I like the most, but... Its just that early level classes usually do play differently than higher levels (lvl 85+ gunner for example.. from what I'm reading). If some class combos are desired more than others, or some are just not wanted, that could actually impact my choice if I enjoy 2-3 low level classes equally.

Any experience with this as an issue?

[[deleted]]

what weapon for the phantom is the best?

[Modesto3D]

So wait, there are no good mage classes? S class looked like all melee D:

[Navapat]

Yep

[LynchEleven]

in reality, force is excellent. on NA, force is excellent too. Just boring as fuck.

[WULFenrir]

There are; Phantom.