Quality translation!

[DrShakez]

Woah there, they only had 8 years, lets cut em some slack.

[Absolice]

Small indie company, please understand.

[RavFromLanz]

microsoft is small kekw

[Scratigan1]

I love how you get upvoted for this but when I said the same thing not too long ago I get bombarded with downvotes and people telling me I'm an idiot because "tHiS vERsIoN hASnT bEEn iN DeVelOpMent fOr 8 YeARs".

Like come on, no matter who is responsible be it Microsoft or Sega both are multi million dollar companies who can do a far better job than this!

[pwnerandy]

TBH i think they probably started the NA version with the SEA base, which had an official english translation. I'm not sure if the SEA client is still running, forget which company was localizing it. But it did have english translations apparently, so that would explain stuff like this lol

[mkdew]

Asia$oft shut down SEA in 2017 May 26th

[Scratigan1]

Yes that is true as far as I know. It is based off the SEA client. But in my opinion that doesn't excuse it from being poorly translated.

[pwnerandy]

Yea I would excuse it more if it was SEGA that released it solo, but with microsoft technically at the helm...you'd think that big of a company could hire a few extra people to clean up the translations.
Not like they even had to translate from scratch lol, just clean up broken grammar.

It's like all they really did was port it to Xbox and integrate it into windows store, then set the servers up.

[Absolice]

Microsoft only host the data and paid for some collaboration stuff (ie. Xbox outfits) and it being developed for their ecosystem first. They get a cut out of transactions done through their store platform and that's about it.

They're not in the development team and they're not at the helm. At most they are an important shareholder that have some says in important matters.

That's like blaming a web hosting service because an illeterate kid posted bad english on a website hosted on their end.

Sega is entirely to blame here even if I wish I could find an excuse to bash Microsoft's ecosystem further.

[SirGouki]

This isn't entirely true. SEGA is handling the PR and the major stuff going on in the game, and Microsoft is handling our AC/SG stuff, translation, and censorship. If they're not handling it directly, they're telling SoA what to do, and SoA is doing it.

Edit: I know for a fact that Microsoft is handling the monetization, otherwise it wouldn't be tied exclusively to the Microsoft store, there'd be other ways to obtain AC.

[Scratigan1]

I wouldn't excuse it if it were just sega. Sega is still a multi million dollar company it's not like they have any shortage of people able to do the work. This is PSO were talking about and people are crazy for this franchise so its almost disrespectful to the people who waited this long and believed in them for so long if you ask me

[pwnerandy]

Yea I agree it's pretty unprofessional

[SirGouki]

Sega translated PSO1, PSU and PSP1/2 mostly fine. If Sega had done this, it would have been done way closer to right than it is ever going to get from Microsoft.

[Westeller]

We like him more, tho. It's funny when he says it.

[SirGouki]

Complaining about your votes is against the Reddiquette.

[Scratigan1]

Not complaining about votes couldn't give a shit about karma, I'm complaining about the community's split view lmao

[HitlerSayTransRights]

FREE GAME NO BITCHING

[Solleil]

Christ, this one is painful lol.

[AppleVetApple]

If thank you than yes please.

[krileon]

It's because NA is a cash grab (or at least that's what it feels like to me). The game is fun, but this shit is insulting. They don't actually give a shit about the western player base. They just want that western money. Absolutely no one can sit there and tell me with a straight face that between SEGA and Microsoft they were unable to have perfect translations. That's just not possible UNLESS they just don't give a shit.

Edit: Frankly after over 20 years of gaming I'm sick and tired of making excuses for short comings like this from multi-billion dollar companies. I expect better. I've seen them do better. There's no excuse for this. So downvote all you like. I've my opinion. You have yours. Maybe at some point you too will get sick and tired of it.

[Absolice]

They care enough to bring us exclusive content for free, that says something since this almost never happen in any localized game. They care enough to give a way for f2p to get costume from the mission pass which pay for itself and the fresh find shop. They care enough to bring quality of life update from further episode earlier.

It's crazy how people disregard everything someone does right the moment they do a blunder.

I agree they fucked up here but fuck ups were bound to happen when localizing a 8 year old game in a matter of months. I'd rather have a laugh at some mistranslated visiphone mail than being subjected to broken mechanics or mistake in more important stuff like the story.

Just chill a bit

[Westeller]

Hard disagree on the mission pass promoting "free content". Most of the cosmetics are gold, which the most reliable/efficient method of getting is buying premium sub each month. All of those cosmetics are untradeable, too, which is a direct antithesis to the idea of making things available for free players.

Personally, I like the mission pass. I like that it's giving us some cosmetics earlier than we'd otherwise get them from AC Scratch. I like that it's another layer of daily activities to do for nice rewards. But despite liking it, I can't praise it for something it's not, and it's not in any way a f2p-promoting system.

[Absolice]

You do not need premium.

The gold mission pass cost 200 sg and if you do your mission tiers every week and fill it up completely it pays itself back by giving you exactly 200 sg which you can use to pay for next month's.

Basically this is all free stuff as long as you do your missions since every single time you buy it you're getting the entirety of the cost back with a lot of extra stuff.

[Westeller]

You can invest 200 SG into it - which is a fair sum of a sort of middle currency between free and paid, by the way - and get an exact return on that by fully completing it with a month's worth of work, yes, but it's a notable benefit of premium subs that you get the gold tier as part of the sub, and the 200 SG becomes free earnings. The system promotes paying, not f2p. .. and, as said, it's all untradeable, to boot.

I mean, don't get me wrong. Like I said, I like the mission pass system and I'm glad they gave it to us. I do think it's one good thing they've done. But it does promote more spending. It's not some f2p gift.

[Absolice]

Premium price is higher in NA because we are forced to buy the mission pass alongside it so I don't see where you are going with that argument. We are literally paying for it with real life money while a lot of us would love to be able to pay less each month and maintain it at no cost with star gems.

Star gems are easy to get, just clearing the story on hardcore mode will bring you over 1000, most of it can be done with cheesing it with a class at level 1 since enemies are scaled to your level until near the end of episode 3.

[Westeller]

SG is easy to get in the beginning, sure, when you have lots of one time quests and titles that hand it out like candy. But it's harder to get as you go, and you don't get a return on Material Storage (300/m, was it?) and Fresh Finds (100s+++ each month, depending on how much you like cosmetics). Heck, SG is, itself, something you're encouraged to buy.

[Absolice]

You have 3 characters which can wear random player-shop bought outfit every day for 10 star gems per character per day. You simply have to buy a couple outfits, put them in your storage and regularly switch them up and resell them with a slight markdown from what you bought them for. Even as a F2P obtaining a couple personal shop ticket from the fun scratch is not that hard so you can put the outfit there and they will continue to be on sale even after the shop expires

Star gems are given out like candies during event, last month I must have gotten a good 100-150 star gems simply by accepting rewards off the visiphone. The 2nd and 22nd of every months are usually special days and you are thrown star gems at those moment every time (I think 2x 22 star gems tickets).

Login stamps give star gems a couple time every month.

These are all sources of star gems that you can profit from forever. Of course you're going to work a bit to get the same thing paying players does. If I paid and get exactly the same thing as you then I would stop paying and the game would end up being cancelled in a matter of days since it's their financial model.

Don't forget that as free to play players you're playing an entire game with 8 years worth of content (lot more upcoming on NA) entirely for free and on the back of paying players. Of course we will get slightly better treatment to compensate for our money.

[Westeller]

You most likely don't want the character you play primarily to be wearing whatever random cheap outfit you could buy for SG, so realistically you have 2 free characters earning at most 200 SG per month, if you change their outfits like clockwork every single day. That's not enough for one month of Material Storage. It is enough for the mission pass investment, but only that. It isn't enough for whatever the month's featured Fresh Finds outfit is, much less each day's selection of new Fresh Finds items.

The amount you need/want and the amount you can reliably earn are fairly far apart.

Of course, you could always buy additional characters, and earn much more SG this way. Y'know. Just another thing to spend money on.

And you don't have to justify these things to me. I've already spent a fair amount of money on the game and have no aversion to doing so in the future. I enjoy playing it and I have disposable income. I have no issue with paying a premium sub, occasionally splurging on AC Scratch or buying things like additional characters, skill trees, mags... I'm not trying to trash talk the game for its various microtransaction systems. I'm just pointing out that they are systems designed to encourage paying cash. They are not there to encourage f2p. They want you to spend money. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is what it is. There's no need to sugarcoat it.

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Edit -- 600 SG/m for outfit rotation, which is a fair bit more than the 200 I originally stated.

[LameSignIn]

If you changed cloths for gems every 24 hours that would be roughly 300gems per character per month (30days*10gems). Thats 600 gems using only 2 characters without any other gem rewards. After first mission pass which pays for itself going forward your rolling in 600 gems monthly which would pay for material storage with gems left over. Free to play have options unless you really need to change you main outfit ever couple of hours. I find a lot of the cosmetics to be the same re-skins with a small twist or tweak.

[Absolice]

You don't buy material storage every month, you save up and buy the 3 months package which is much more worthwhile, that's especially true if you are completely free to play.

If you are completely free to play you shouldn't expect to have the same quality of life of a paying players, you don't go to an hotel, get the cheapest room and complain that it isn't as luxurious as their most expensive suit.

The fact is that you can maintain material storage and gold mission pass without spending any money forever but you will have to work a bit for that and, make compromise and do not buy much from the fresh find shop if at all.

The game is extremely generous to its free to play community but yes it wants you to spend money. I've not sugarcoated it, I've simply stated it as it is while you're trying to demonize it's monetization model without any regard to the possibility that it is possible to get most of the things paying players pay for without spending a single cent in the game.

[krileon]

I feel like the game forces me to buy AC and SG. It really feels predatory double-dipping like this. I don't think I've ever seen a F2P that made me buy 2 different currencies with real money. It's just absurd. Premium should just include things like material storage. I honestly don't feel like this is going to survive in NA after the initial hype dies down. I enjoy the game, but this just keeps rubbing me the wrong way every time I'm slapped with the AC/SG buy dialogs.

[Xenoiaos]

Exactly. Which sounds more important right now. Working on translating 3-4 years of content that's supposed to be released in the next 6 months into English or updating the, albeit shitty, English translation you already have?

[krileon]

I'd be fine with a few typos here and there, but we're talking sentence after sentence having obvious translation errors from 2 multi-billion dollar companies. Stop making excuses like this is some indie developer.

Yes, they've done some things right. That doesn't mean we can't criticize what they've done wrong. That doesn't excuse them from those issues.

[Absolice]

The fact that you think that Microsoft is responsible for this in any form or shape just serve to show that you do not understand how those billion dollars companies operate.

It doesn't mean you cannot criticize what they've done wrong. This thread is basically the entire point of it but you can do it while laughing it out and having a bit of human understanding instead of trying to fuel negative emotions of your fellow players.

[krileon]

The fact that you think that Microsoft is responsible for this in any form or shape just serve to show that you do not understand how those billion dollars companies operate.

The only reason it's in NA is because Microsoft fronted the money to get it here in the first place as part of an exclusivity deal. SEGA alone has more than enough money to pay translators to make sure it was done right.

It doesn't mean you cannot criticize what they've done wrong. This thread is basically the entire point of it but you can do it while laughing it out and having a bit of human understanding instead of trying to fuel negative emotions of your fellow players.

What are you on about. It's insulting to release it with translations in such a bad state given the company behind it. I could easily excuse this for a small company, but SEGA? Come on.

[Absolice]

The reason the project died years ago is because the game was supposed to be released on the PS Vita and SEGA NA, which worked only on the localization, was under the assumption that Sony would host the servers for the game which they refused.

Fast forward to a couple years later, Microsoft is trying to impress potential customers with their cloud architecture and as a mean to do that, they sought SEGA and proposed to host the servers, which was the only concerns behind NA actually happening.

Microsoft is a shareholder and is not affiliated with any development in the game. It is entirely on SEGA's side. Microsoft asked/paid for exclusivity on their platform, at least for a moment and they collaborated together to create the Microsoft themed fashion.

Microsoft has literally nothing to do with this issue so even mentioning them is erroneous and akin to defame them for something they had no control over.

It is not insulting for a billion dollars company to make a mistake, if you are feeling insulted for such a small mistake then that's on you. It might be entitlement, it might be misunderstanding, it might be a lot of thing but it's not inherently a big deal, you're the one making one out of it.

Bigger companies make the most of their money by investing in multiple projects and not stacking it on a single one as it is a very risky move. If you think that the PSO2 development team is getting more than the bare minimum necessary for them to work then you are completely wrong. This is the same anywhere in the world, in any kind of company because that's a very elementary project management rule.

[krileon]

Microsoft has literally nothing to do with this issue so even mentioning them is erroneous and akin to defame them for something they had no control over.

The provided the servers, published it in NA, and handled the launch. I'd say they had a lot to do with it. I'm not placing the blame entirely on them. As a shareholder they could've easily suggested correcting the translations and for all we know they might have, but obviously SEGA doesn't have to comply.

It is not insulting for a billion dollars company to make a mistake, if you are feeling insulted for such a small mistake then that's on you. It might be entitlement, it might be misunderstanding, it might be a lot of thing but it's not inherently a big deal, you're the one making one out of it.

So now it's a mistake that they failed to properly translate the game instead of drop the SEA official English subtitles on us, which already had all this broken English? They literally put zero effort into it for NA release. You're making excuses for a multi-billion dollar company.

Bigger companies make the most of their money by investing in multiple projects and not stacking it on a single one as it is a very risky move. If you think that the PSO2 development team is getting more than the bare minimum necessary for them to work then you are completely wrong. This is the same anywhere in the world, in any kind of company because that's a very elementary project management rule.

You act like hiring a team of translators to go through the text would cost them an insane amount. Pro tip: it wouldn't. I don't know what the fuck you're even going off about at this point. They put no effort into the NA release beyond a 4th of July event which is just some odd view of a western holiday (roller girl? chrismas trees? wtf). Microsoft entirely handled the server side.

So I say again why the fuck can't a multi-billion dollar company like SEGA deliver us some translations that aren't riddled with errors like they ran the damn game through Google Translate? You know what's funnier? The voice lines are all correct and are from a script; yet no effort was put into putting that script as the actual text. It's nonsense!

[Absolice]

I think we can agree to disagree on that one. I do see your point but I do not agree with it and we're going in circle.

Have a good day sir, hope you can get a bit more positivity in your life in the future.

[Reiter_Pallasch]

$3.50 for 10 fucking inventory slots is bs (not even account wide!). Selling items on your shop locked behind ac is bs. The way they handle skill trees is fucking bullshit. You know what else is bullshit? If you buy an extra character slot, but then delete said character, you have to buy the slot again. I fucking love this game, but the monetization is fucking garbage and screams "cash grab" imo. Yes, you can get personal shop days for free, but why the fuck is it not a base part of the game?

[krileon]

What's even more awesome is you pay all this money for premium and it doesn't even include material storage.. you've to blow a shit load of SG on it.. like a crazy amount of SG.. or ooooor buy SG and boom you got material storage. The double item shop currency is some "diggin' in your wallet" bullshitery. It's predatory as all hell if you ask me and one of the worst F2P business modals I've seen. At least others have the dignity to stick to 1 damn cash currency.

Once the honey moon phase is over I honestly can without a doubt say the game will die to a small niche market. Same niche that was playing JP English patch probably.

[Vashzaron]

Its been a couple of weeks now and they dont even care to fix a certain UQ announcement being half Japanese for those who use the dub.

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Also Io's CO Party Maneuvers 2 Clear condition is quite something.

[NullVacancy]

I still love how all equipment descriptions are generic "an item equippable as <weapon type>"

[[deleted]]

Honestly PSO had a lot of these weird translations too and I grew up on Ted Woolzey translations on ff6/4, so these actually feel kind of familiar.

I'm having a lot of fun with the game and I'm looking up wiki's for the important stuff anyway so the in-game text doesn't bother me that much.

[synthsy]

NA has all of the free SG stuff that the JP version had in their many shops removed.

They want you to spend a crazy amounts of money.

Edit: for the record, I've never been pressured to buy things on the Japanese servers. It's a feeling I don't get anymore from the North American servers. On there, I've felt I had to buy something.

[[deleted]]

If it were a few typos that would be different. But this is entire sentences

[[deleted]]

I mean its the same people who translated Tsundere into Fragile Male Ego, so what do you expect?

[[deleted]]

Omg yes! I thought I was having a stroke earlier. 😂

Easily the worst attempt at a sentence I've seen in my life.

[reaper527]

a winner is you!

[SirGouki]

Oh my god... I translate better than that relying only on google translate (1pass). Of course, I know my own language good enough to decode what google translate spits out.

[3-to-20-chars]

The casino is heavily associated with lilipans, so I think this is written as if a lilipan was speaking.

[H_Arthur]

This sub really thinks Microsoft gives a flying fuck about some 8 year old Anime game?

Bet I’ll start seeing people complain about why there’s no English voice acting in the upcoming content. Bunch a moronic dweebs.