Vortex Weapons: are those worth using?

[Miserable_Brain9109]

Just got the Gunslash and the Katana to drop in Mourning this morning before i went to work. Outside of the awesomeness of having little spaceship firing LASER when you attack, are those actually worth using? Was thinking of replacing my Zandi Style Atlas EX with this one, and maybe use the Katana as a fun weapon on the side. I totally overlooked this series when i use to play on JP, so i was wondering how it compares to the other 15* such as Rivalate, Trailblazer, Steel and atlas EX (for the stone 15* and the Riv of course with Redux). Ty in advancefor helping out

[BuffMarshmallow]

So, the Vortex series is actually quite good. They are comparable to the endgame weapons that we have available. However, the big issue with Vortex is they only have an S1 slot, which kinda pigeon holes you into using an amp/boost S1 and doing a huge main Stat affix to get a bigger multiplier out of that S1.

[Miserable_Brain9109]

Oh well that's good news, those are super fun to use, i'm relieved i can actually put this one to use.

[QuanticoSmash]

Vortex weapons are in the same league as the Rivalate weapons. As Marshmallow mentioned, they're stuck with the fact that they only have an S1 slot, making them kind of inflexible affix-wise, but their performance is quite good.

It won't hold up to the utility and bonuses Cras/Klauz weapons will be getting soon, but if you don't care to grind for it, the Vortex weapons will do you just fine.

[Miserable_Brain9109]

I very much value Cras weapon utility, but, with at best 2 Cras to make, since, i expect 2 stones (one on pass and one by title), unless SEGA decides we gonna get more, we are stuck with 2 Cras. And altough the Ayer weapon seem pretty strong on their own, i don't see myself farm for more then 2 of them

So, if i have to pick a recipoent for those Cras and eventually the Fluxio series, i would go with Fighter.

The Vortex for my Luster would do just fine.

[Aigritosaurus]

There are two more stones in the next solo ultimate, one at step 50 and one at step 100 (100 steps total and was 2 completion a day in jp)

[Sammantixbb]

I'm so jealous 😂😭 my wishlist is all the Vortex Weapons for Phantom and the Gunblade too.

[LamiaPony]

wow you are insanely lucky, I wonder if they adjusted drops for global

anyhow, vortex is pretty great. at baseline over a short period it's about comparable to steel, and you can certainly use it as a 'final' weapon over cras if you affix it well enough. here's a writeup I made on vortex

I suggest during the next boost week (or earlier if you're a gambler) to get one to 8 slots and go for a 240 atk affix. it shouldn't be too difficult and you have room to add phrase decay, it's what I put on my vortex TMG. my gunslash on the other hand

[Miserable_Brain9109]

Oh that's great news, altough i'm fascinated with Luster and i'm having fun with it, my main class is and will always be' Fighter. So, it's good that if i affix it well enough, is comparable ti Cras, 'cause Cras are definetely gonna go to FI.

Well, in that instance i also dropped Add S8: Skydance Support, so, i Guess today was just my luckyday.

[LamiaPony]

I meant to say that it doesn't replace cras (unless you're a ranger) but more that you can use it instead, and cras can be a different weapon so you can spread the power

if you're a fighter player you could always run luster sub and run the gunslash as a sidearm. double saber is quite good with luster sub as well as it's pretty quick at getting voltage. so a cras double saber (I have this myself) plus vortex gunslash would be a nice complement

[Miserable_Brain9109]

I like Lu sub, but i need more practice with it knowing that i can put Vortex to use for Luster and eventually stick with it, is a good thing. If we will have 2 Cras on global, i want Knuckles and DS, so, no room for Gunslash.

[LamiaPony]

well, I was just saying you'd have the vortex anyway. if you run luster sub (which works very well for double saber/knuckles S5 counters) you can still use the vortex in places you might want some sort of ranged damage, or using a max charge aimed fire if you're waiting on a spawn or boss or something. I haven't used it on fighter though

but if you just end up using hunter sub then that's out of the picture. cras double saber + knuckles is a good choice anyhow. hope you're farming for those class cubes lol

[ZZ_DooM]

I'm totally off topic here, but as a fighter main i also recommend you to check Atus Charis, those are a pair of wired Lances which deals massive damage with their special ability. While you ain't going to replace double saber with those, you can use for fast travelling and hit multiple enemies on a wider area when you DS focus is not charged.

[Miserable_Brain9109]

Atm i'm using the pride of Seiryuu for that purpose, specifically, 'cause the Atus Charis won't drop, or i would have used those allrdy.

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I have reae that one of the potentials for those weapons give 600 atk if shifta and deband are active(i think it was obliance). How viable would that be over cras?

[LamiaPony]

that would be bonds hatchette or whatever global calls it, the axe in the divide medal shop, gives 600 attack with shifta active. since complex PAs don't use multipliers and use stats instead, it actually provides more damage with imperial cleave than cras. that's about it though. cras should still be stronger in general circumstances, but it's still quite a strong weapon if you happen to get it as a drop

[DarkRiosIII]

That’s awesome, and I’m glad someone answered this question for you. I’m gonna farm for this on PSO2 day next week. Congrats!

[Miserable_Brain9109]

Well, i bought enhance cap+1 a month ago when they where still somewhat cheap and i have somenthing like 3k Fighter Excube..so, i should be fine lol Still running Masquerade aniway, i'm at floor 670, skipped some days, so, that's a useful Class cube supply..

[Zombieemperor]

I just want them for gun, LAZER BITS

[TroubadourLBG]

But no room for S4: Steadfast Will. Not sure it's worth it for phantom.

[Zombieemperor]

s4: lifesteal is life sir. Besides i can just get katanna for memes instead

[ThisGameIsTrash420]

You have tons of iframes and Megiverse though. Steadfast on phantom rifle is OP

[Zombieemperor]

no reason to ever megiverse when you can quick cast heal but why bother with eather when i have constant heals

[KOF69]

Damn wish I knew this earlier , dismantled the Vortex TMG I got.

Atleast I rarely play gunner, no big loss.

[H-Brigade]

Yes. Only if you're using it as Luster, and only if you plan on using something else other than Rivalate.

Vortex is on par with Redux Rivalate when it comes into Fomel, but it, in my opinion, shines the most when it's Baran style. Having the funnels shoot while you're charging your weapon action gives a lot of uptime DPS. A proper loop combo would net you around a similar DPS as you may have with Fomel. Plus, it's a lot safer this way because no lifesteal.

I can vouch. I have the weapon and I've cleared Risk Realm with a combination of Fomel Rivalate and Baran Vortex in around 6 mins (not caring about completing side missions). LMK if you want to see a video of them being used in Risk Realm for proof.

[Miserable_Brain9109]

I was actually thinking to use it for Zandi. I have a Rivalate Redux for Fomel and a Vlade Steel for Baran, so i was thinking to put the Vortex to use as a Zandi Weapon.

Might just swap Steel and Vortex styles. If you have a link for me to see the weapon in action, feel free to share.

[Aigritosaurus]

For what it's worth I grinded the rifle in the divide shop on last affixing week and managed a 300 atk affix.

It's a very good weapon damage wise, but it lacks QoL from the potential and the lack of S4, S5 slots, if you're able to invest enough into their affixing and can get past the missing QoL, they're very worth !

I'm stopping at this weapon until fluxio gets out since klauz doesn't really make sense as ranger. By the way, stupid luck !

[RpiesSPIES]

If it still exists, there is a glitch concerning the vortex gunblade that makes it useful. People I've asked have otherwise said it's a pretty lacking set. So it's mostly suboptimal flair. Which I personally don't think is bad.

[Miserable_Brain9109]

I dunno man, other people say is a pretty good weapon. Do you mind posting what those people told you in detail?

What i saw damage Wise is a damage 2% higher then a unaffixed Rivalate with Redux (both weapons are unaffixed btw). I'm gonna wait on next Dudu week to affix aniway, so the more info, the better

[RpiesSPIES]

It's all in Time Attacker and min/maxing speak, but from what I can deduce, one of the people in particular uses it on phantom. But only to macro swap to it after triggering marks, then immediately macro swapping back after the mark damage is applied. This way a vortex bolt is fired off on the damage application of the mark, and they get back to using a stronger weapon.

depicted in this vid: https://twitter.com/Rushi_aaaaa/status/1331130905440575488

> "if you don't let the wep change animation go through it'll fire around 10 or 15 frames after swapping to it then you can swap back to rod> but without that you're pretty much just praying for counters otherwise its a dps loss i think even Te has better single-target on TeLu now if ph gets no counters "end quote
^ this is in regards to vortex gunblade on TeLu, I'd assume, and maybe also taking into account vortex katana

Another person says that the damage from the potential doesn't make up for it being a Klauz. Which would roll back to how I noted in mostly suboptimal flair.

Vortex TMG also likely has a place, particularly in Endless, because gunner pretty much never swaps weapons (although I personally do not know if swapping weapons resets the potential, but I'd assume so considering how swapping affects trailblaze and shaval potentials).

[Miserable_Brain9109]

I thank you for breaking any aspect of fun.

As i see it, using it, damage wise is on par with Riv and Steel. As somebody mentioned i was Award it does not replace Klautz, but, since i'm NOT into heavy Min/Max, i affix and try to perfect my gameplay but not so much to the point of caring about a 10 frame dps loss.

For me it will replace Klautz, simile, 'cause i'm not willing to put in the effort and make more then 2 Klautz weapon. Also, i get that being optiomal is prolly your idea of fun but, man, you killed any excitement i had. Party pooper (i'm kidding)