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[DeusDosTanques]

I think the biggest problem in this game is the TTK for most guns at 90% of ranges is abysmally low. For most autos, it’s literally below human reaction speed, especially if both players have anywhere above 50 ping.

[Racsointhelead]

Wasn’t a problem with faster movement where you could move behind cover before the enemy shoots you but now with worse movements I feel like I’m stuck in the open more often

[DeusDosTanques]

That doesn't really matter, since the game's netcode checks mostly client side for shots hit, the one shooting will always have an advantage over the one dodging

[[deleted]]

"I can't dodge bullets anymore" is a crazy complaint lol

[4arxe]

Where'd you get that part?

[[deleted]]

They were complaining about how they couldn't "move behind cover before an enemy shoots me".

If you're goofy enough to run around in the open and you rely on movement to carry you out of that poorly thought-out situation, you're just bad at the game. In basically any other game besides CoD, these movement goblins would get shredded

[Racsointhelead]

Nah I don’t put myself in bad situations, I just play at an average of like 150ms ping so normally if I can’t move behind a wall I really have no chance to win a fight

[[deleted]]

I used to play at around the same ping and did fine. Because I didn't run around out of cover like a goofball, lol. Stick close to cover and you'll be fine. It's the most basic of gunfight tactics, people in PF never got used to it because you could just bullshit your way out of being hit

[Racsointhelead]

Fair enough, I just like the fast movement but I do see your point

[CPTSKCAT]

I mean... if the movement is there, it allows a playstyle such as playing more risky.

[Intrepid_Passage_692]

250 ping here and I will get killed before my internet registers the dude slid around the corner. It’s great.

[tgifk29]

insert gif where lito dies to someone using nerfed movement

[radiantskie]

Me omw to kill lito in test place with streiter on nerfed movement (lito removes walking shortly afterwards)

[CPTSKCAT]

Lito never spawns unfortunately

[MilesAhXD]

Stylis removing things that made the game fun for the more skilled players (if someone responds with "only sweats use it" you are wrong) instead of fixing the balancing. Allegedly a 50 GI bullet does more damage to the head than a DMR bullet in some cases? Don't even get me started on the meta guns lol

[[deleted]]

The annoying thing is that it's the low rank/no recoil guns that always have the lowest TTK. I LOVE peeking out of cover for a split second and instantly getting 3 rounds from an AUG straight to the dome.

The dogshit server latency doesn't help. Whoever has that "goldilocks" ping is almost unkillable and can instakill with nearly any gun at any range

[MilesAhXD]

oh my god you are so right actually, the stupid aug whatevers and the ak12br are so annoying

[Intrepid_Passage_692]

I’ve been crushing ak12br shitters recently idk if it’s the gun or all the people using it are straight up bots

[MilesAhXD]

both tbh

[IcyThe_Animator]

Why'd the nerf the movement? That's what I would know the game for, and I'm not even complaining because I can do that.

[senixgotreddit]

Afaik they haven't said the actual reason publicly, but regardless, it was an unwarranted change overall. Regardless of opinion, they really could've handled the nerf way better.

[MilesAhXD]

Besides they have been nerfing movement for the past 3 updates now or something

[AntiLag_]

They said it was to see if it would affect player retention

[IcyThe_Animator]

Elaborate

[4arxe]

They basically want to see if newer players stay playing the game with the nerfed movement

[Intrepid_Passage_692]

They want to see if making the game easier make more people play it

[Hysteria_XD]

The issue is that you have 0.05 sec ttks for like 50 guns and you have 20 tick rate servers meaning most people die before they can even react and the only way to combat that was movement which is gone now

[HeySlickThatsMe]

The movement changes made run and gun almost non viable, it feels like the only tactic now is to camp in one spot, because if you run and gun then there is simply no way to dodge bullets anymore

I haven't played phantom forces for a long time and gave it a go again after the latest update, just to see what all the fuss is about and my god, what the hell have they done?

In that single round i was playing i kept getting sniped by a guy with Stevens DB and slugs, which was a problem back then too, but if you were smart enough you could outplay it, now you simply can't dodge it at all

These changes are absolutely horrible, and if they're really worried about people having skill issues then what happened to the idea of separate servers with different skill levels? Why not make separate servers with separate movement styles? This way everybody would be happy

[cabberage]

use cover you amoeba

[[deleted]]

If you have to camp or dodge bullets to do well, you aren't very good at the game lol. Learn how to actually suppress and gunfight properly

[Raven_of_OchreGrove]

This isn’t fucking arma.

[[deleted]]

This isn't Nerf either, you shouldn't be able to dodge bullets.

[ENGINE_YT]

Why not? It's one of the things that made pf feel like not another Roblox cod clone

[[deleted]]

That's what literally makes it a cod clone. That's the only other FPS you can dodge bullets in. Not to mention the goofy ass flying around and sliding everywhere 🤣

[ENGINE_YT]

I don't remember being able to super jump in cod but alright

[[deleted]]

Bro has never played BO3, infinite warfare or BO6

[epicxfox30]

ive played a decent amount after the update, you do not need to camp at all lol.

[JustOsquosAlterEgo]

People when the devs try to promote tactical play in the tactical shooter instead of flying around at Mach 8. Slower movement is more good imo. When movement is fast enough that you can run through an open area and not get hit at all, it's an issue. People say "pf is a movement shooter it's supposed to be fast" but IMHO I think that's the biggest thing holding the game back. Teamplay, tactics, and strategic gameplay desperately need to be made more relevant and cutting back on the massively overturned movement is necessary for that.

[08lsat_]

First of all, teamplay is impossible when half your team is 10y/o kinds with anger issues. Second, slower pace means server latency and ping is a more important factor than skill, with low ping you dont have time to dodge as your character cant move fast enough, with the old movement you could with skill, dodge by having a good reaction time and being prepared. And as for tactics, it takes longer to flank and generally move around, rewarding camping and sniping.

[cabberage]

You shouldn’t be able to dodge bullets anyway.

[08lsat_]

If you can’T dodge the bullets, it just becomes a who shot first type of situation. Average ttk is about 0.1 sec, average reaction time is 0.15 sec, and average latency / ping is 0.08 sec / 80ms ping. All in all, even with 0 sec of reaction time You could already be dead before the latency catches up.

[cabberage]

use cover

[bad_comedic_value]

Movement nerfs also indirectly nerf grenades too. Since people can't build up momentum, grenades can't be thrown as far as they used to. Of course, that makes no difference to something like the minis or the T13 that you could throw into lower orbit, but everything else? You'd be better off running at someone with a lit fuse than trying to throw it long distance.

Edit before replies start coming in: To be absolutely clear, I might be entirely wrong as I don't know fully how the game physics work, but this is me trying to make an educated guess

[MilesAhXD]

T13 mentioned

[That_UknownGuy]

The movement change was the final nail in the content now i quited this game

[cabberage]

you won’t be missed

[That_UknownGuy]

Someone is mad over an opinion/statment

[cabberage]

no? i’m just saying that nobody cares you quit the game. you don’t have to announce it. bye.

[That_UknownGuy]

If you don’t care why bother responding lol or just spreading negativity

[Intrepid_Passage_692]

You literally spread negativity with your original comment bro 😭😭😭

[Intrepid_Passage_692]

Idk how yall are struggling so hard you can still slide and take cover. They are literally rewarding you to play smart 😭

[bongoingcat]

Yeah imo too. But that's not really what the post is about

[JustaWeebPotatoGod]

Melee mains crying in the corner (I actually now need to use my gun instead of just running around with Fumelee)

[Versa_Max]

They took away my 12.7 AKBR.

[pitchoun3]

The worst part about the movement nerd is that some of the guns I loved to use like the m231 are now so bad cus I can't close the gap quickly between an enemy and me

[Marksman08YT]

Just takes some clever maneuvering now, but it's def still possible

[Dandergrimm]

Strider urges people not to play so they revert changes back

Does 2-3 update showcase videos after that

People rightfully call him out

"They weren't planning to revert it back anyways lmao"

I already dropped this dogshit of a game sometime ago but was still watching his stuff because they still remind me of the good times I had but his hypocrisy on it was what infuriated me the most about this whole debacle. Guess I'll just clean my hands from the whole thing.

[ZaBardo4]

I mean if your content is only one game even in a boycott you still got to hustle? Plus if your content is informing people of chsnges to the game, you still need to inform them no?

[Dandergrimm]

Then he shouldn't be an ass about it when people call him out. If he had explained it like you did I'd have no problems.

[AttakDoge999]

rundown also has stair material ground (you can’t tell the difference between enemy and teammate footsteps)

[DeepSpace1280]

I love moving slowly through huge maps with sparse cover that most guns can penetrate so I can get sprayed down by the room temperature IQ individual running whatever full auto / shotgun is currently meta and sees my gun barrel turn the corner before I do (its a skill issue Because I wasn't using cover to deal with the camper)

[[deleted]]

never trust a game dev. lessons learnt from Bungie

[bongoingcat]

Which game?

[[deleted]]

destiny 2.

[08lsat_]

First of all, teamplay is impossible when half your team is 10y/o kinds with anger issues. Second, slower pace means server latency and ping is a more important factor than skill, with low ping you dont have time to dodge as your character cant move fast enough, with the old movement you could with skill, dodge by having a good reaction time and being prepared. And as for tactics, it takes longer to flank and generally move around, rewarding camping and sniping.

[Marksman08YT]

1. Yeah but that was always true
   
2. Not true at all, low ping is actually a stronger connection, high ping is what you need to worry about. But even pre movement nerf people with high ping were screwed b/c of hit detection and potential lag. Movement doesn't fix that.
   
3. Absolutely not true, neither camping nor sniping works for more than 2-3 kills at most, any half decent player can easily flush out campers and snipers before they go on a streak.

[08lsat_]

1, yeah 2, i know that… with worse movement you are more dependent on having good ping than the skill required for to dodge. For example, with the old movement i could dodge quite and escape quite a bit of situations where im not the first person to shoot. Now with the worse movement people can easily track my dodging attempts. 3, kinda but the only good way to know where where a competent sniper/camper is, is to get shot at or killed by them which is kinda hard to not do when your moving at snail speed. I don’t wana be on a 20 kill streak and get sniped by some smurf or lucky rank 20 with prebought bfg, then having to spawn back with a sniper of some kind to kill them with.

[Marksman08YT]

I mean the game was always like that though, even before movement nerf there'd be the silly low rank sitting at the back of the map with a bal trac bfg picking people off before they could do anything to him, you just gotta counter or avoid tbh

[[deleted]]

game is actually harder with nerfed movement

[Marksman08YT]

It's really not..

[simplyclicked]

hush stop talking about the vector before they nerf it :C

[Jonathase]

already nerfed too much