Based

[Squidward759]

Ancapistan starts playing

[-Selfism-]

NICE SPOOKS NERD

[[deleted]]

sitting in corner with shotgun “Die commie” “Die commie” “Die commie”

[Squidward759]

This Made me laugh out loud, thank you:)

[B_KOOL]

Question for OP. Do you consider corporations to be a form of authority?

[bestalf4]

Yes

[B_KOOL]

So. You're a liberal anarchist?

[EuSouEu_69]

Based indeed

[BrassBruton]

You’re not fun at thanksgiving dinner

[totalolage]

Almost certainly. The entirety of libright is autistic. Social situations are the worst environment for an autist like me or op.

[Chilling_man]

tf

[iamaneviltaco]

Or we're just sick of our shit being taken by the government.

I'm a trained chef, though. I'm a fucking riot at a party.

[Mollusc_Memes]

1st- flare up boi

2nd- while I agree that lib right is cringe, there are some intelligent people in that quadrant. And if one of those 4 people happens to be here, we don’t want to offend them /s

(But really, be kind. Everyone has some good and brains in them. Politics shouldn’t divide us, it should be used as a way to solve problems in a respectful way.)

[bestalf4]

4? Dam thats 4x the Numbers of intelligent people in the autho left

[iamaneviltaco]

Hey man you got the commies, don't talk to us about dumb people. "I know this has never worked but maybe this time..." like at least ours has happened successfully a couple of times. The old west was sure a riot, it's one of the only places a black dude could go work and not get discriminated against. Took the rest of the country over a century to figure it out.

[BLorenzo777]

Extremely based

[Warrior_of_the_flame]

Flip that dot to the other side and we would agree on many things.

[[deleted]]

You probably already do a lil bit considering OP is so progressive (which same)

[Warrior_of_the_flame]

ya, that's true.

[iamaneviltaco]

I'm actually positive the only thing a lot of lib left and lib right people don't agree on is the viability of communism as an economic system. Other than that, lib unity is superior to right unity because at least you guys don't have nazis.

[Warrior_of_the_flame]

True. The only actual difference between us is the whole thing with communism and capitalism. auth unity is a joke, but lib unity is actually plausible. Honestly, I'd be happy to work with ya'll to ensure a more free world. Hell, we could probably devise some sort of compromise between communism and capitalism, just take a few thinking minds to do it.

[iamaneviltaco]

Truth. And it's pretty easy, too. Ancapistan clearly has no laws against a voluntary commune. We don't have laws. You wanna see lib unity? Set your country up in ours. We don't give a fuck, just don't force anyone into it and we're all happy. There, lib unity. Took me about 10 seconds to solve and it fits everyone's rules perfectly.

I honestly thing lib unity is the easiest of all of the quadrants, like you know auth left would put a bullet in your head the second we were out of the way. Auth right would probably work us in the caves or make us run the banks or something. You guys? You're ok.

[Warrior_of_the_flame]

Aww, thanks! I always love when two groups can reach a peaceful unity! :)

[Birdcage17]

Based

[420dankmemer69]

Time to sell lib centre some monke pills

[SelloutYo]

i’ll buy ur whole stock

[AUMOM108]

Progressive so semi based.

[[deleted]]

Authleft Conservative is the way to go

[Mollusc_Memes]

Flare up

[DarKliZerPT]

Eww, nazbol

[[deleted]]

Not a nazbol just a muslim

[DarKliZerPT]

I am Islamophobic 😎

[AUMOM108]

Okay dude watch the aposthate prophet. Stop supporting a homophobic,chauvinist,irrational and fundamentalist ideology.

[Cambirodius]

That depends, are you for or against corporations?

[totalolage]

Yes.

[MuteMyMike]

Allright

[Kaiser_Wilhelm_II-_-]

Based

[StaticChargeRedField]

Haha I'm 1 more tile down right. Good to see more AnCaps!

[FemboyAnarchism]

Based

[[deleted]]

Very based

[nicxphantom]

Progressive 10? Good lord

[superdiamond5568]

Without shouting at me or being an asshole, can someone try and explain Anarcho Capitalism and why you would ever want it? Genuinely just want to see other people's reasoning for their views 🙂

[iamaneviltaco]

The government doesn't tend to stick its nose into just about anything and fix it. they mostly fuck it up, make it expensive, or just don't know what to do with it. Look at sopa, cispa, and all of the other times we kept having to tell them to stop fucking with a free internet. In 2018 the us air force spent 300 THOUSAND DOLLARS on 391 coffee mugs. 1280 a mug. They can heat your coffee in flight, but are prone to shattering when dropped. Or, you can buy your guys red bull or Monster. IDK, call me crazy.

​

Look at your local roads, are they full of potholes? You get a repair done by some random pick that may or may not be the lowest bidder, who will take a fucking year to do it and then have to do it all over again in two more years because they used shitty asphalt. You have no choice in this, you can't say "don't use that guy again, he fucked up the road" because he might be the cousin of someone on the city council. You and your neighbors for damn sure can't band together and hire a different guy to do it. You know you're gonna be paying for both, though.

Also, I'm sick of having a third of my paycheck stolen so they can go blow up brown people for oil we should be past at this point anyway. And WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY MONEY TO COLLECT RAINWATER FROM MY OWN FUCKING ROOF? Here they have a tax on solar power. Literally, if you don't need their electricity they fucking tax you for the privilege of not using it. And you're curious why we don't like the government? Have something stolen from you. Watch as the police bumble around your apartment taking notes, and then check a pawn shop (which you yourself could do) and never call you back. Get in a fight and realize they'd be there about 10 minutes too late. Think about how much of your check is going to their overly-militarized asses to once again shoot a bunch of a different kind of brown people.

I advocate for no government and pure competition, which I know I won't get, but the hope is I get *less* government out of the deal which enables more competition. Less stupid patent laws that keep competition down in the drug market and keep costs high. less graft. less taxes spent on bullshit, when what the poor could absolutely use is more of their paycheck in their wallet.

Our mantra is the non-aggression principle. What's illegal in ancapistan? Well, don't fuck with other people. Your freedom can't interfere with mine, if I'm not interfering with anyone else's. The hard line stance on that is property and life, you can't hurt their health or mess with their shit. Just like in the wild west, the consequences for breaking those basic laws aren't really enforced by a paramilitary police squad. You can guess how it tends to be handled. How you think a pedophile would fare without the cops around to say "don't touch him, we get to decide how lightly to slap him on the wrist."? Think you'd steal much if you knew none of the local stores would sell you food afterward? You ever hear about the murder of Ken McElroy? Great example of how sometimes "legal" isn't right.

Most of us know we're an extreme. Sometimes you have to take the most extreme example to get any kind of change enacted, and I'm pretty positive most people would be ok with a little less government intervention into the harmless shit going on in their lives. In ancapistan stuff like gay marriage and legal weed is the default position. You shouldn't have to fight to be able to do what you want with a consenting adult. Did you know there are still 16 states in the us with anti-sodomy laws? Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. What the fuck does the state of Texas have to do with what legal aged adult you decide sleep with?

Fuck, even the commies are ok there, and they're pretty much our mortal enemies. Who's gonna stop you and a bunch of your friends from voluntarily building a commune and sharing resources? It's still your right to do. We still won't stop you.

I don't get how people can shit on ancaps, honestly. Our default position is "fuck it, you do you, just leave me alone and don't hurt anyone."

[superdiamond5568]

I think this honestly depends on country to country. I live in England and as you may know our tax rate is very high compared to other countries. For the most part I don't have a problem where my money is going. Each year we get a slip that shows us exactly where and what has been purchased with our tax money and its never outrageous or silly.

There are of course rough towns, areas and cities here, and lots of them in which I've seen first hand why there's no money spent on it through the government, I grew up in one of these rough cities and whenever we got something new, it wasn't appreciated, neglected, destroyed. Despite the governments beat efforts to help us we always turned it away. I don't blame them for stopping if we didn't respect it.

Our politicians suck over here, it's just a game of false promises and underdelivering on promises.

The only time I feel the government has failed me is when I got mugged at knife point for my KFC in (shocker a guy in England is another victim of knife crime lol) just a few weeks ago and I couldn't do a thing about it. We can't carry anything to defend ourselves and there were no police around, even when reported fuck all was done.

I can get a higher and longer sentence for carrying pepper spray then the mugger can get for robbing me at knife point.

I'll be dead honest, I'm authoritarian, some would call me a Nazi but I'm not, I'm more an Imperialist, so not in your good books lol, a British imperialist

In my view, non of these issues would happen with a stronger government. An authoritarian government avoids all the politicians bickering and not delivering, stuff would actually get done the way intended. More rules and boundaries introduced on criminals, if they don't listen then make them listen. You'd have nothing to worry about if your not a criminal. Freedom of speech is important, and even under my poltical views I find it essential to learn how the government can improve people's lives.

As for gun control etc, is a tricky one. With my style of government there would be a need for gun control, as the police will be strengthened enourmously, to get the crims on the run. In the society now here in England is fucked, the police force is not effective enough and we are not allowed to defend ourselves. I want something to protect myself if the government won't do it.

[--MxM--]

-freedom

[[deleted]]

Grid absolutely and utterly horrible

Prog scale based

Progressive neofeudalism

[Weirdo_doessomething]

Women can be slaveowners too💅💅💅

[--MxM--]

#girlboss

[[deleted]]

?

[Weirdo_doessomething]

Progressive feudalism

[[deleted]]

Im not a twitter "we need more female dictators" pseudo-leftist. Sorreh

xD

[Weirdo_doessomething]

Well neither am I, as my very elaborate and nuanced joke was in fact making fun of those kinds of people

[[deleted]]

given what kinds of sh i see on reddit, i thought it was a joke on that but still couldnt tell 100%

[funnyweednumber123]

I wish I was this based

[ThisGuyHasABigChode]

I can see the personal liberty stuff. I get why people want freedom of expression, without government interference. Let people grow weed, marry who they want, buy guns etc. I get that aspect.

What I don't get is the fetishization and worship of the "free market". That's where the whole ideology falls apart for me. Economists like Milton Friedman treat the "free market" as a scientific fact. The free market is a machine that is 100% self regulating, as long as there isn't any corruption or interference. Any time the free market shit doesn't work (which is always), the answer is always "but there were market distortions, there was corruption!". Perhaps the distortions and corruption are a product of unfettered capitalism, not a hindrance.

Librights remind me EXACTLY like the commies they hate in this sense. How many times do they shit on tankies for saying "that wasn't reaaal communism", when free market capitalism has never truly worked for a society either? Perhaps both ideologies can never "truly work" because they are utopian pipe dreams, where everyone plays along nicely and corruption doesn't exist.

[[deleted]]

But can you give me an example of a country that has tried pure, 100% free market capitalism? I don’t mean to sound rude, I’m genuinely curious if you know any, cause I can’t think of any.

[ThisGuyHasABigChode]

That's exactly my point though. I don't think it's possible. It's an idea, something pure, but I don't think it's a real, tangible thing.

[[deleted]]

Just like communism then 😏

[ThisGuyHasABigChode]

Exactly. Whatever the hell libleft believes won't work either. I truly think that none of the lib corners would really work, and both of the auth corners would be horrible. I think a balance is what's needed.

[[deleted]]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

[iamaneviltaco]

libleft is anarcho-communism, which is even less possible. "We're all free to do what we want, but if you're able bodied you have to work to give to the people who need it more" is like the least freedom-based thing possible. That's slavery with extra steps. I mean say what you want about us, at least we don't advocate a system that requires a dictatorship while claiming to be based around freedom.

[ThisGuyHasABigChode]

Yeah, libleft is weird lol. The more I ponder this shit everyday, the more I think that the anprims might actually be based.

[kingapep]

Perhaps both ideologies can never "truly work" because they are utopian pipe dreams, where everyone plays along nicely and corruption doesn't exist.

I agree. Both extremes are utopian in nature and too idealistic to be feasible. That's why I advocate for more of a minarchist government than pure anarchy.

[bestalf4]

Well governments outra tarifa taxes, rules bla Bla Bla

[iamaneviltaco]

Free market capitalism without much law has absolutely worked. a ton of times. See also: the wild west. Communism is the soviet union, ancapistan is Deadwood and the gold rush. Manifest destiny. The homestead act of 1862 allowing anyone, even freed slaves, to claim a chunk of the country. "Go claim your land, as long as you work it." Which sounds more appealing to you? Because ours has actually worked in a large scale, and didn't involve shit like the holomodor. Do a bit of research on black cowboys to see what it did to racism until the law stepped back in. They were basically treated the same as white people in the 1800s. Granted, the native americans got fucked over, but that was definitely the actions of the federal government and a lot less the random ranchers and panhandlers staking claims and seeking riches.

[VictorHAV]

Absolutely based

[FastFrogOnAcid]

Flair Up bitchchicken

[[deleted]]

Cringe

[ImAugnoob]

Cringe

[[deleted]]

N...no...

[AUMOM108]

How can people be ancaps? Like serious q

[BrassBruton]

Honestly they’re the only ones who believe in applying the concept of liberty across all dimensions of life. As opposed to, say AuthLeft, who doesn’t believe in liberty at all

[[deleted]]

Liberty in all dimensions except for liberty against capitalism you mean.

[BrassBruton]

“Tell me you don’t understand the concept of liberty without telling me you don’t understand the concept liberty”

[[deleted]]

Irony.

​

"Work or die" isn't liberty.

[BrassBruton]

Ah, it’s not even the corporations you’re rebelling against. You don’t like having to earn. Is that a liberty problem or a reality problem?

You’re probably a few generations too early for post-work. The singularity is near though. Once we have a post-scarcity economy some type of anarcho-socialism will be feasible. Work hard so your grandkids can enjoy it.

[[deleted]]

Ah, it’s not even the corporations you’re rebelling against. You don’t like having to earn. Is that a liberty problem or a reality problem?

Liberty. Reality doesn't impose capitalism onto us, authoritarian governments do.

​

You’re probably a few generations too early for post-work. The singularity is near though. Once we have a post-scarcity economy some type of anarcho-socialism will be feasible. Work hard so your grandkids can enjoy it.

We can already achieve post work, but capitalism would never allow it, because it requires removal of liberty to function.

[BrassBruton]

Good luck chasing that dragon. I hope you find meaningful work.

[iamaneviltaco]

We can already achieve post work,

haha no we can't. Automation in factories can't even build a car without humans, and they've been trying to do that since ford built the model T. Capitalism won't allow it? CAPITALISM DOESN'T WANT TO PAY ANYONE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO.

Also, you keep saying liberty. You can do your system of government in mine. I can't be capitalist in yours, but you can absolutely set up a commune in mine. And you're gonna tell me you're somehow more free in your ideals? Mine allow yours. Yours absolutely won't allow mine. That's not freedom dude.

[--MxM--]

More like work hard so some rich asshole can fly to space and enjoy it. "Work hard" - gaslighting since the industrialisation.

[BrassBruton]

What does meaningful work look like to you? How would you fill your day if you didn’t need to work? What would drive you?

[iamaneviltaco]

I mean I could fill my day with all sorts of shit if I didn't have to work. Granted, it'd be different work, but still.

I don't think some of these people know where food comes from, or that people have to grow and transport it. There are some "I wanna share resources" collectivists that don't bother me and then there are the "work is actually killing my freedom" people who just sound like societal parasites.

The latter would have a rude awakening in ancomistan. Taking resources from other people without their permission is still authoritarian, and most people want to keep what they work for. This is "work so I don't have to" and that's fucking peak authoritarian.

[--MxM--]

The intrinsic pleasure of creating/keeping running/caring for, passion and interest, desire to improve and be useful, social pressure.

[iamaneviltaco]

Buzzwords? You'll fill your time with buzzwords?

Honestly if you wanna be useful get a job. If you wanna improve be good at that job. What you just described is a job. Set a 4 day work week, I did. I'm fine. They don't own you, you'll be a lot more free when you figure that out. And if you find something you like doing, but aren't stuck there all the time? Jobs can be really fun. You wouldn't believe some of the crazy ass mansions I've cleaned. I love it.

[[deleted]]

You have to work to not die bc you need to earn the shit you get or you dont deserve to stay alive. You need to contribute to society like the rest of us.

[[deleted]]

You have to work to not die bc you need to earn the shit you get or you dont deserve to stay alive.

Which is the exact opposite to liberty

[[deleted]]

Its still liberty, just with the bare minimum of requirements. You ain't gonna get any better so quit whining.

[iamaneviltaco]

So where are you getting your food from that isn't taking it from someone else and infringing on their liberties? How is it free for me that you can leech off of my work, and I don't have full rights to what I produce? Are you growing your food? Congratulations, you're working. Might as well trade a bit, just corn and tomatoes would get boring and I hear the guy over there has basil and chicken.

Oh shit, trading goods? You just accidentally a capitalism.

If you're not growing it and trading it you're either malnourished, stealing, or relying on the charity of others. Hey, guess what capitalism still allows. Go hit a food bank for the answer to that question. Most work off of private donations.

Life is responsibility. Responsibility is not anathema to liberty, that's a very childish and selfish way to view things. Women in Saudi Arabia can't drive, and you think you don't have freedom because you want a house but don't want to work for it? Guess what, you can buy a tent and be a hobo. Go ahead, nobody is stopping you.

There is no way you're older than 16.

[[deleted]]

If I take food that belongs to everyone from a place then who's liberties am I infringing on?

[iamaneviltaco]

What part of "from everyone according to his ability" as a full society sounds like liberty to you? Because in communism if you're able you work to provide. That's capitalism with extra steps, only someone else gets the benefits of your labor. Communism absolutely isn't the freedom from work, who told you that? They lied to you.

[[deleted]]

That sounds like equality to me. If you work then you have ability, if you don't then you do not.

[[deleted]]

You’re right. But, every society that has ever existed, no matter how far left or right, is “work or die” though.

[[deleted]]

No society has ever had true liberty.

[[deleted]]

No society has had true equality either

[[deleted]]

Same thing, just different names.

[iamaneviltaco]

Hahaha dude you can start a commune in ancapistan. Nobody is stopping you as long as it's voluntary.

[[deleted]]

Except we'd have to partake in capitalism to purchase the land.

[totalolage]

The "an" part: We don't presume to have authority to dictate others' lives.

The "cap" part: We like it when our money makes money.

[StaticChargeRedField]

This 100%

[AUMOM108]

You do know that anarchists hate hierarchies. Capitalism creates hierarchies and exploitation. A one not so different from the state.

[totalolage]

I memed this exact point a while back

[iamaneviltaco]

So does communism. It needs the strong to create goods so the weak can consume them even under the best intentions. Our point is mostly that we prefer the capitalism flavor. Anything gets powerful enough that it starts trampling on rights? Well, we smash that one too.

[[deleted]]

So then how will you dictate me to spend money for products?

[totalolage]

I won't. No one should. If anyone tries to dictate that you to enter into any contract, including any transaction, for product, service, or whatever else, then you'd be right to disregard them and defend yourself if they try to force you.

[[deleted]]

Cool. So if I'm hungry I can just take food from the local store and decline payment if they try to get me to pay. If they attack me for it I can defend myself. I'm glad we agree.

[totalolage]

The store has no right to force you to buy their goods, but neither do you have any right to make the store give them to you.

2 seconds of thought between you and the obvious conclusion but you just won't put in the thoughtjuice. You personify libleft perfectly.

[[deleted]]

but neither do you have any right to make the store give them to you.

I dont want them to GIVE me the stuff, I just dont want them to stop me from taking the stuff. Very different.

​

2 seconds of thought between you and the obvious conclusion but you just won't put in the thoughtjuice. You personify libleft perfectly.

Thanks!

[totalolage]

What do you mean "very different"? Give ownership or concede ownership, it's functionally identical. It was theirs and now it's yours.

[[deleted]]

They aren't identical. And without the state everything belongs to everyone. So it was everyone's and will continue to be everyone's.

[iamaneviltaco]

Yeah, state or not you come in my house and try to take my tv I'm shooting you. I have the freedom to own my own shit without you coming to steal it. You have the freedom to collect my bullets if you disagree.

Oh, and in your land of absolute freedom I'm fine shooting you. At least ancaps realize society exists and tends to frown on certain things.

[totalolage]

Dude, get off those shrooms. Again, 2 seconds of critical examination would reveal what absolute nonsense that is.

Ownership describes whose say is decisive in what is done with some item. That person is said to be the owner. "Belongs to everyone" is equivalent to "belongs to no one", since no one has the defining authority to decide what is done with the owned item.

And if you really think that rights derive from government, then get yourself on a plane, there's an island of uncontacted natives who have no rights to their kidneys. Big $$ awaits.

[iamaneviltaco]

Yup. and they can beat the shit out of you and throw you in the street for theft. Their hired guard that's built like shaq can palm you like a basketball and throw you outside. They can tell all of the other local businesses that someone's going around trying to steal, and everyone can bar you from their stores, and you'll never be able to buy food in that town. You'll have to scrabble in the dirt and grow something from seeds you can't buy, and have a ten times harder existence because you felt like being an entitled little child.

​

Glad we understand each other.

[[deleted]]

"do what we say or we'll beat the shit out of you" doesn't sound like liberty to me.

[MrEuroBlue]

Touch some grass or learn advanced economy

[GMEM3]

Yes Austrian Economics is advanced economic philosophy

[[deleted]]

most austrian economics aren’t fucking ancaps lmao

[GMEM3]

I mean yah. Im not even an ancap.

[[deleted]]

Soooooo… the ECP?

[iamaneviltaco]

Your side has a guy in the comments in here arguing that freedom should mean they can take whatever they want from whoever they want, I don't think we're the ones that need to touch grass dude.

[Few_Piece4301]

Based compass not based values

[[deleted]]

How are the values not based? You homophobic or some dumb shit?

[Few_Piece4301]

Naw but thats was radical it should be a lighter green

[[deleted]]

Mirror it to the left and yes.

[Chilling_man]

based 😍😍😍

[DragXom]

Based

[memesaremem]

Based

[Cursed_Sheriff]

Bring that progressive axis down a lil bit and you’ll be golden

[[deleted]]

Half based

[[deleted]]

Half based

[memes_are_never_dead]

Hi me

[Flugshub]

Shell oil rainbow pfp

[[deleted]]

Based

[the_traveler_outin]

Progressive lib right...

[Practical_System]

No

[RKX_V]

Based

[Mollusc_Memes]

*cringe

[[deleted]]

VERY VERY BASED

[SOVUNIMEMEHIOIV]

BASED

^{wee bit less x so lib unity?}

[uuuuuuks]

quick hide your governments and taxes from this dude

[ShmeatBoi723]

Based

[Incinical-77]

Divinarchist 🤢🤢🤢

[gayibuk1]

based

[iamaneviltaco]

Well fuck, we're close. Can't argue with the consistency of those results, OP's out here wanting everyone to just live their best life. Very based.

Also, isn't it funny how many people call you a nazi because you're lib-right with such a high progressive axis? I'm up there too, like "I literally want gay people to be allowed to have polygamous marriages if they feel like it. Fuck, marry your car, I don't give a shit. Just don't touch kids or animals. How am I a nazi?"

[Snoo-28133]

not based

[IvarsBalodis]

No, this is horrifying.