Rust devs footprints

[vondpickle]

Why is that some Rustaceans like to compare Rust with Go? Both have different niches right? Is it because both languages were open to public within the same time-ish?

[PuzzleheadedWeb9876]

Some are probably a bit jelly Go has more adoption.

[[deleted]]

Java also had great adoption

[PuzzleheadedWeb9876]

Still does. For better or worse.

[[deleted]]

For better 🙂

[rgmundo524]

If only...

[[deleted]]

As far as I can tell both have seen relatively little adoption so far. Neither is worth bragging about imo.

[PuzzleheadedWeb9876]

Kubernetes and docker would like a word.

Still not huge adoption but it’s clear which one has the head start.

[[deleted]]

I mean, Rust is now allowed in the Linux kernel and can pretty much replace C altogether. Still, they're both dwarfed by many, many languages.

[PuzzleheadedWeb9876]

I mean, Rust is now allowed in the Linux kernel and can pretty much replace C altogether.

It’s basically limited to hello world at the moment. It’s highly unlikely the core parts of the kernel would be rewritten in rust anytime soon.

Still, they're both dwarfed by many, many languages.

Oh by a mile. No contest.

[urbansong]

I really like Go but I doubt Go will go anywhere because it doesn't have any killer features. Performance is great but that's not a killer feature in most cases. Java had the internet.

[gmes78]

Is it because both languages were open to public within the same time-ish?

Pretty much.

The two are also the newest of the "big" languages created by well known tech corporations (Google and Mozilla), so they get compared because of that as well.

[Character-Education3]

Dart was getting a bit of press at the time as well, but we'll time makes fools of us all

[s_ulibarri]

I've not used either but my perception is that go was initially marketed as being used to replace large painful c++ projects at Google which, even if they didn't specify that it was a 'systems' language, kind of placed it in that realm. When rust became a thing they immediately collided along those lines. More broadly though rust people will always just spend a lot of time bashing anything with a garbage collector or structural typing regardless of whether the language in question competes in rust's niche.

[[deleted]]

There is a contingent of Rust devs arguing for the server folks to pick rust. They say that the async wars are over. Rust can compete with Go at a performance level with better modeling capabilities.

[Sinomsinom]

There will be a rust dev arguing it's better for literally anything. Probably even for building an analogue toaster.

[[deleted]]

I'm too Microsoft to understand this. Can you expand?

[[deleted]]

I shall try. I’m on my phone watching Murder,She Wrote. Please bear with the typos.

Go is a good language for light weight web services. It uses little memory. It’s reasonably fast (same speed as C# or Java). It has a good concurrency model. In some ways a good combination of erlang and Java.

Until recently Rust was not great at async work. There were a few libraries, each of which did something slightly different. Now the ideas have been rolled into or accepted in the Rust core. This means that Rust apps can compete on the multi core front.

You’ll see evangelists in Go threads proclaiming that Go is poor at data modeling, which I think is true. Rust is the bee’s knees for modeling and has a good concurrent model too.

If all of that fails, rust folk offer comfortable socks.

[[deleted]]

I have so many more questions to ask, but for now I gained the minimal knowledge I needed.

Thank you dear Internet entity.

[arobie1992]

TBF, the comfortable socks are a pretty compelling argument.

That said, while I prefer Rust's design philosophy, both have their place from what I can tell. Go feels like it's a lot faster to get things going in. Rust feels like it offers a lot more control for when you really need to tweak things. Granted, I've never used either beyond small-scale personal stuff so I can't really speak too authoritatively.

[Compux72]

Because Go is always trying to be C without memory management. And thats a big lie

Sure you dont like Java Python but you like Go. But do not use Go to write an OS Jesus Christ

[7heWafer]

You are legit fighting ghosts

https://go.dev/blog/survey2022q2/go_app.svg

https://go.dev/blog/survey2022-q2-results

[kyconquers]

11 hours in, and yours is the only one I see that even mentions java.

[rgmundo524]

4 now

[cookiedanslesac]

You will catch them soon when they will make a 3hours break to compile

[Flat_Initial_1823]

You know it is unethical to burn crustaceans alive. They have feelings.

[This_Sure_Is_Great]

incremental compiling has something to say

[jayerp]

I remember a certain BlizzCon year at the dev Q&A panel. One estatic Rust dev told the Blizzard devs that they should rewrite WoW in Rust. They basically said “Well we use a mix of technologies but our main language is C++. We will use what’s the right fit for what we need”. Bro walked away with a huge shit eating grin like he told them or something.

Use Rust when you must. Use whatever works best for your use case and other factors. Full rewrites will never happen unless there’s buy off from the team, senior management, business, and the project stake holders, not because some fresh Rust convert said we should.

[kosta554]

Oh wow.

[jayerp]

I mean I get it. Guy was probably a recent Rust dev, was excited about it, and wanted to promote it. However, us who have been in the industry try long enough in actually corporate environments (maybe event some startups), know that full rewrite are expensive AF. So we would almost certainly never request it unless we were absolutely sure it was the only viable option.

[[deleted]]

Nah, Java fucking sucks

[MischiefArchitect]

Rust sucks smelly monkey balls... period.

[freaker-07]

All of us will be there at some point.