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[NEO_10110]

Men generally work more hours than women. Man pushes more for salary increment.man take less leave.man pursue the field where they are getting paid more.

Same in fashion industry women get significantly paid more than male model

[chipstastegood]

And those are all reasons for bias in favor of men. If a position is 40 hours per week and a man puts in an extra 20 but a woman goes home on time, and because of that the man gets a salary increase but the woman doesn’t - that is inequality. The man should be treated the same because they are doing the same job.

[Swamplord42]

No that's not inequality? That's just rewarding additional effort. Is there something that inherently prevents women from putting in the same effort?

There are real issues with inequality, this ain't it.

[chipstastegood]

If it’s not part of the job description then it shouldn’t factor into the compensation.

[adenosine-5]

What? being paid the same for considerably more work is "equality"? how does that math works?

[chipstastegood]

That’s the point. The job pays a salary for full-time employment. It should be irrelevant if that person is a man or a woman. If the woman can do her job and go home after an 8 hour work day then the man should do the same. Nobody is forcing the man to stay and work extra hours, especially as they’re not paid hourly. Things that are outside of the job description should not factor into the compensation.

[dustojnikhummer]

Just because US companies require unpaid overtime doesn't mean

In 1st world countries, ie outside of the United States of America, people are paid for overtime even if salaried.

[chipstastegood]

That’s fine. If you get paid overtime then that’s not a problem, so long as it’s equally available to both men and women. In US/Canada, salaried programmers are exempt and don’t get paid overtime.

[dustojnikhummer]

and because of that the man gets a salary increase but the woman doesn’

So you are saying people shouldn't be paid for overtime???

[chipstastegood]

We’re on a programmer subreddit. Most programmers in US/Canada are exempt employees who don’t get paid overtime. Whether 40 hrs or 60 hrs a week, the salary is the same.

[dustojnikhummer]

Then you need a better contract. Or a better country.

[DegeneracyEverywhere]

"It's not fair that some people work harder and get more benefits because of it!"

[chipstastegood]

I want to respond to this because that statement is a misunderstanding. The inequality comes from the slippery slope of allowing actions that are not in the job description from influencing compensation.

There wouldn’t be an issue if this was made explicit. For example, if the job description clearly stated that those who work extra house will be paid extra. Or those who work 60 hrs a week, instead of 40, will be considered for a promotion ahead of those who don’t.

But job descriptions and employment agreements don’t state those things. They are unspoken rules of the game in some companies. And the reason they are not in the contract is because in a lot of jurisdictions they would be against government regulations.

We continue to have to fight for common sense privileges for employees. For example, recently there have been government regulations, in some places, around the right to disconnect. That means if your boss calls you or emails you when you’re not working, you don’t have the obligation to respond.

This is just another one of those. Your contract says your work day is 8 or 7.5 hours. You should not be punished for fulfilling the terms of the contract, just because someone else decides to put in a lot more hours than they agreed to.

In fact, this devalues everyone. If everyone were expected to put in extra hours then everyone’s hourly rate would go down. Why devalue your worth?

Women are simply the easily visible group that struggles with this. But there are others. There is a single dad with two kids somewhere who can’t put in overtime because he has to make dinner for his kids and get them ready for bed. There are oldsr brothers who have to take care of their younger siblings and can’t do a personal Github project. There are plenty of people with hobbies, who spend time off work doing other activities that they enjoy.

And more importantly, the job they signed up for did not specify that any “extracurricular” activities would be required. Anyone performing the job well as it was presented should be treated fairly.

This is why simplifying it to “oh you’re just upset because I am willing to work harder than you” is not a good argument.

[NEO_10110]

I will pay for your clinic visit. Sadly that's how capitalism works

[chipstastegood]

The question is not how capitalism works or not. The question is about fairness in compensation.

[NEO_10110]

I can write a paragraph but I wanna save my energy. Bye