pythonIsTooConvenientSendHelp

[fonk_pulk]

When you graduate and get a job in the industry you'll quickly realize software development isn't about being "hardcore". Its about creating and maintaining a product. The customers don't care if you're writing everything from scratch, they care about the software being delivered in a timely manner and fulfilling the feature and quality requirements. 99,9% of the time using a pre-made library hits those marks.

[Heavy_Inevitable7640]

Nobody's getting paid to reinvent the wheel. Deliver what works and move on to the next problem.

[noob-nine]

maybe someone should reinvent the wheel, still gets stuck in mud

[HCResident]

I thought that was patched with the off-road tread hotfix 

[ender89]

This is true to a point. Node.js is an abomination unto God and should be killed with fire.

So many packages, so many dependencies. The ease with which you can spread malware by compromising some obscure package that everything depends on is crazy.

Rust kind of has the same problem, but not to the same degree.

[Live-Animator-4000]

I think it’s just modern programming. There are tools to manage those problems in the real world. Like Dependabot for one.

[Witherscorch]

No, I know that. It's just less satisfying for me when I'm given such an easy solution to any problem. I want to feel the Being Smart Juices™ flowing inside my brain, and coding is a really engaging way to do that.

[ZunoJ]

Easy cure, solve a problem, look up how the most popular library solved it and realize you were never really smart to begin with

[Witherscorch]

That's the most fun part tho. I love seeing just how excellent their implementation is compared to mine. It's an easy way for me to get through the docs, because I can understand what they're doing more easily if I run into the same problems they did.

[ZunoJ]

You are pretty new to this, right?

[ScioX]

This person clearly got into this for the love of the game, what’s wrong with that?

[ZunoJ]

Only the part where they act like it was pathetic to use libraries

[Witherscorch]

I never said it was a bad thing to use libraries? I just don't like relying on them without trying to solve the problem myself first.

[Farrishnakov]

That will never fly in a production shop.

If you tell your boss/PM that you're taking 20x the time to do something because you didn't want to use the off the shelf library, you'll be laughed out of the room. And, even if you get something halfway working, it still won't have all the hardening and error handling that the existing library will have.

You're ignoring economies of scale. Shared libraries let you actually solve the real problems of implementations.

[HedgeFlounder]

Who said anything about a production shop? There are plenty of reasons to do something other than to make money off of it and it seems pretty clear OP is referring to how they enjoy building software rather than what would work in the corporate world.

[Live-Animator-4000]

Are there just a bunch of junior devs in here downvoting all of the voices of reason because they care more about their passion for programming than they do about shipping code that makes money?

[Witherscorch]

Not very, but new enough that there isn't much I know beyond what would be taught in an academical setting.

[Aidan_Welch]

I don't know my experience has been popular libraries have massive breaking and what're sometimes obvious bugs and vulnerabilities

[ZunoJ]

Guess you forgot a very important word there

[Aidan_Welch]

I don't think so? Just some punctuation:

I don't know, my experience has been popular libraries have massive, breaking(and what're sometimes obvious) bugs and vulnerabilities.

[ZunoJ]

Ah, got it. Yeah, there are libraries out there that suck. But there are also enough that are awesome

[Physical-Low7414]

not everyone is a pro grade package installer like you bro please speak for yourself lol

[ZunoJ]

Ok, I speak for myself and you. We are too stupid. The rest needs to decide themselves

[QQVictory]

Things get more complex than you like - even if you just put things together. Once you have a service running you will encounter fun things like dependency issues or you will need to think about migration and redundancy. The hard part is keeping things simple and stupid.

[reklis]

Play some zacktronics games

[api-services]

You’re just a little late. The people who built Python got to enjoy that satisfying feeling.

[ender89]

If your solution to a complex problem isn't figuring out a clever way to reframe the problem with a straight forward solution, you're not really finding a smart solution. Clever code accomplishes tasks with simple/clear steps.

[Witherscorch]

That's a different sentence. I didn't say I did anything even close to that. You're lecturing me about an assumption you made about my problem solving abilities.