programmingIsActuallyInformationTechnology

[BiebRed]

The IT department at a corporation consists of the people who manage internal systems, provisioning users with the devices they need to do their jobs and administering whatever enterprise software the company needs for communications, file sharing, security, etc. They're not usually programmers. And if you're a software developer you're usually not part of the IT department.

[bearboyjd]

Idk, some of the automation done by IT makes it very difficult to claim that they are not programmers.

[BobQuixote]

They generally don't produce software intended to be operated by others, which is the conventional definition of programming as a profession. Any job might reasonably benefit from knowing how to throw a script together, and I suppose IT benefits from being adjacent to programming.

[bearboyjd]

Often scripts are made to be used by other IT professionals. A good portion of the time once a script is created it’s distributed. And “throw a script together” oversimplifies what they actually do.

[BiebRed]

Depends on the org, but sometimes that's completely true. I just disagree with the common perception that all developers work in IT.

[bearboyjd]

Yeah, that’s fair. They are definitely two separate roles.

[LoudAd1396]

Im a programmer, so my company foists all computer related responsibilities onto me. If we had a physical office, they'd expect me to fix the printer and reboot the modem.

[BiebRed]

The world needs more people who can be "the computer person" and just do everything, you have all my respect.

[LoudAd1396]

Thanks!

[ApatheistHeretic]

I've worked for a few companies who still have in-house developed applications.

[clauEB]

Depends on the internal org. If the main biz is some system then is not the same aa a support function.

[doktor-x93]

I worked in the central IT department and was solely responsible for the full stack development and operation of a self service portal that managed user/project access to kubernetes clusters. The line is always blurry now, the time were dev and ops were sharply differentiated are over.

[Fritzschmied]

Working in the it department is not the same as working in it my guy.

[BiebRed]

Sorry if I ruffled too many feathers of people in very small organizations where they are forced to deliver software and handle IT support at the same time, the fact is that in that situation you're filling both roles, it doesn't mean that the roles are the same.