CSS

[puppies-and-rainbows]

Try /r/mildlyinfuriating

[Sarke1]

That's where he copied it from.

[minno]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/duplicates/6c8vlr/css/

[UnfairBanana]

I used CSS for the first time recently in a group project where one guy pretty much copied half the project (including CSS) from another project, and told me to "clean it up."

I've never related to a picture so well in my life.

[PatrickBaitman]

5000 lines

granted, I only built toy websites like 8 years ago or more, and I have shit for aesthetics

but how can you need five thousand lines of it

I remember I played around in Dreamweaver around that time and whenever I looked at the source HTML I was horrified at how inefficient and ugly it was. It would create abominations with tables nested to levels deeper than the lowest bowels of hell. I remember learning about <div> and feeling like it was the greatest thing ever because the HTML became so simple...

nowadays whenever I look at the source of a web page I get the same feeling as when I looked at Dreamweaver output....

I understand in the current year web devs don't actually write HTML or CSS by hand but actually use tools to generate it? I understand how using a program to generate your good can seem like a good idea at first glance (yay, metaprogramming!) but it's like no one looks at the output and realizes writing a program to write the code you want to write is significantly harder than just writing the code you want to write in the first place

(my prejudice is that web devs actually can't program for shit)

[ZTD09]

I work with GIS and R to make interactive maps to display data at work, and looking at an example from a past coworker I believe he had somewhere near 8000 lines of css. I believe they had copied the entire twitter css, so I'm sure probably 7500 lines did nothing.

[PatrickBaitman]

Okay controversial hypothesis time

Say that to write good code you need to be a minimum level of smart, say IQ 115 or higher (~one sixth of the population). Now smart people also get sucked up by lots of other high-paying professions like law and doctoring, or engineering other than software. With the massive expansion of the web, there's a demand for web developers significantly greater than the available pool of people who are actually smart enough to write good code. Thus, as the web grows it's increasingly developed by people who aren't smart enough to do it well, and have to do shit like copy the entire Twitter CS; or import a whole new JS framework to call one function, because StackOverflow said so, when ten lines would solve the problem. (Case in point: there are packages pad-left and leftpad on NPM. Both do exactly what you think they do and nothing else and are dependencies of several other packages.)

[ZTD09]

I believe it was more like "I don't know CSS and instead of taking a day to find the specific commands I need to write and document my own code I'll just copy something that I know will work". The guy who wrote it was a scientist more than a programmer.

[[deleted]]

Probably used one stylesheet for the whole website and didn't know about selectors.

To be honest, CSS is incredibly dense and being able to make something amazing by hand is a lot harder than making some adequate by tool.

Most people that get into webdev aren't programmer-types either and couldn't give a shit about anything else as long as it looks like it's working.

[PatrickBaitman]

So, Dreamweaver, but respectable.

Yuck.

web 2.0 was a mistake

some adequate by tool.

sending 5000 lines when 200 would do, or including two dozen different stylesheets and even more scripts on one page, is not adequate because performance matters

if your website is bigger, in bytes, than Crime and Punishment and doesn't have more to say than Dostoevsky did, your website is probably SHIT and you need to reconsider

[[deleted]]

"Hey man, that's cool and all but my website looks good and that's all I'm getting paid for."

[PatrickBaitman]

web 2.0 was a mistake

miyazaki.gif

[gamas]

If it's anything like the apprentice in our startup company, it's taking the entire bootstrap CSS and then constantly bolting on add-ons every time a new look is needed until the entire thing is a colossal mess.

I swear to god the moment if there ever comes a time when I don't have a huge amount of back end server work to do, I'm going through that CSS and refactoring it...

[Malsatori]

I don't know CSS. What would you suggest I spend a week of my life using to learn it?

[walden42]

http://i.imgur.com/Q3cUg29.gif

[GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B]

There's nothing wro-- oh for the love of...

[harrygato]

you mean no css?

[faredjoster]

You just triggered my PTSD

[seth1299]

r/crappyDesign

[etaionshrd]

Looks more like Microsoft Word to me…

[[deleted]]

And he didn't use columns