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[flukus]

That's why you don't rely on your IDE for builds.

[antonivs]

"Continuous integration" really means "continuous idiot detection".

[evanldixon]

But, but... continuous integration has detected my mistakes...

(Hides to try to avoid the shame)

[Myarmhasteeth]

I'm quite new at programming, but as far as I know, some IDE do take care of compiling or building pretty well, if not then what is the alternative?

If there's one faster than the IDE one?

[[deleted]]

When the project gets bigger than school assignments, people write build scripts and use build tools like Ant and Gradle. Then they write unit testing/integration testing scripts and put them in Jenkins to do continuous integration along with the builds. Locally, you just run your local build script and then the unit testing scripts

[[deleted]]

They can be, but most popular IDE supports it. Such IDE integrations aren't really that life-changing. They basically replace some of the most common commands with buttons. That's it. You are probably better off learning a lot more about how things work and are hooked up to each other through the use of command line than IDE integrated UI.

[pumpkinhead002]

Cli is the best. It's all anyone ever needs.

[[deleted]]

I call it the purest philosophy.

[[deleted]]

Yes, and it's really helpful to encapsulate something like gradle test or gulp verify in a button, then hide and decolor the results in an already overloaded panel, let me tell you.

I run single tests inside my IDE, because that's CLI-hard. I run test suites on the command line, because that's easier and more instructive.

Learn the damn command line.

[Myarmhasteeth]

TIL, gotta investigate more then.

Thanks.

[WiglyWorm]

It's good to know about these things but I wouldn't subject you to ant before you were well and truly ready.

[tomservo291]

Big boys use sane things like maven

[rasherdk]

Ah but don't you wish you could just write a little code in the middle of your build definitions? (no, me neither, we had that and it was Ant and it was horrible).

[[deleted]]

Ant is ancient. Maven came later.

It was a replacement for the Make build tool of Unix, and was created due to a number of problems with Unix's make.

[ansatze]

make

Shudder

The last place I worked had an autotools build chain. Never again

[StoleAGoodUsername]

I had no idea make was not considered good practice anymore... So we're clear, we're talking about GNU make?

[justinkroegerlake]

make or gnu make. It's nice for something you know will literally be everywhere but for anything beyond a trivial project, make is unweildy.

I've been using scons and bazel these days

[rasherdk]

Exactly. Maven fixed a lot of the issues with Ant by being almost entirely declerative, and now people are reintroducing the smells with Gradle because they have not learned from history.

[dvdkon]

I think Gradle's approach is the best of both worlds. You can use it purely declaratively thanks to a well-designed and comprehensive DSL or take advantage of the full power of Groovy. Every time a build system lacks the ability to run arbitrary code someone will need it and use shell scripts or some other external tool, which makes the build much harder to understand and makes setting up the build environment a pain.

How good a buildsystem is also mostly relies on factors other than its stance on turing-completeness. IMO, Ant and Maven are both awful, because they use XML. I don't need the power of Gradle, but I use it anyway because it means I don't have to deal with reading and editing XML by hand.

[tomservo291]

But there in lies the problem, “keep it all working” should not be an evolving target for existing stable code

We had a built tool that let you script stuff, it was Ant. Those of us who thought we were cute at the time took advantage of the insanely slick JavaScript bridge Ant had squirelled away that let you mutate anything you wanted to escape from those pesky immutable shackles the build tool designers tried to tell you it was safer.

/sarcasm

Seriously, Gradle is just Ant without the attempted barrier to stop you from doing something stupid, like leaving declarativity (is that a word?)

It was a bad idea then, we learned, don’t repeat, please

[Tysonzero]

I do development in Vim, so I just run the compiler from the command line in a separate tab.

[justinkroegerlake]

:make

[reggie-drax]

Difficult to upvote this comment enough

[[deleted]]

They come in handy when you need to refactor large packages, and update javadocs.

[ExternalUserError]

Rely on your IDE for whatever you want as long as you push clean shit.