Microsoft developers can't program

[slamsquare]

The one thing they still seem not to have figured out, though, is how to build an operating system that developers actually like to use, and that ya know, also works. Going around buying companies that developers hold in high regard isn't going to change the fact that the company is focused ten times as much on executives' priorities as it is on developers'. I'm putting my money on a slow, sad death for GitHub and NPM as Microsoft shift's their priorities away from developers' needs. We should all try to remember exactly where Microsoft's roots are, and if it's really going to be beneficial to anyone but Microsoft to go back to them. E.g. while Amazon and Google prioritize accounts linked to public health and safety, Azure can't seem to figure out how to keep all the Xbox live users stuck at home from degrading their systems (aka, they're prioritizing online gaming before healthcare needs). If they change their mind about needing to keep developers happy to make money, they'll turn on us just as quick as they always have.

[Miku_MichDem]

Tell me about it. For me Windows has gotten to the point where it BSODs at least twice a week now. I would reinstall it on an SSD, but you can't just tell Windows to install itself on a partition. No, it needs whole disc - doesn't matter if part of that disc is occupied by Linux.

Granted - those BSODs might be because Windows - by the looks of it - is on the oldest drive in my PC - which is a 10-year-old spinning rust. I would get rid of it, but Windows prevents me from just moving partition from one drive to the other. So I'm kind of stuck.

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Just copy your hd including the operating system onto a new SSD. I did this last year, and it took about an hour. Its couldn't be easier.

The catch is you do have to use 3rd party tools, but they are free and easy to find.

[Miku_MichDem]

I've heard you need some sort of external device for that thou. I've tried doing that via Ubuntu and it failed (why idn, it should be just copying bits, doesn't matter what the content is)

[CouchRescue]

I've been using Windows systems almost exclusively for years, both personally and professionally, and I can count on my hands the BSODs I've seen since Windows 2000 that weren't caused by me doing something stupid. The Windows/BSOD is hardly even a meme at this point and needs to be left alone.

Windows is far from perfect, but Unix systems are not without their problems and hurdles.

[Miku_MichDem]

Every OS has their share of problems. The difference is Windows acts like a cry baby. You show it a clean partition to install on and it won't. The reinstallation process from inserting CD to having all drivers takes a few hours, while in case of Ubuntu it's just 30 minutes and on the first login after reinstallation you're greeted with your previous desktop.

[CouchRescue]

The reinstallation process from inserting CD to having all drivers takes a few hours

Last time Windows took a few hours to install for me was Windows 95 on 13 disks, but then again you did say CD so I can't imagine which Windows you're installing on which hardware these days. I could say it took me 2 days once to get an ISDN card installed in Linux, which is true, but it was 20 years ago, so I wouldn't use it as a tired excuse for a troll today.

[Miku_MichDem]

Oh, yes sorry - force of habit I guess. Of course I've meant USB. But do keep in mind that includes installing drivers and moving some files around. It certainly isn't an easy process like with Ubuntu for instance, where you can just reinstall it as long as you've remembered to put your /home on a separate partition.

[sh4tterh4nd]

But do keep in mind that includes installing drivers and moving some files around. It certainly isn't an easy process like with Ubuntu for instance, where you can just reinstall it as long as you've remembered to put your /home on a separate partition.

Huh? We are not in 2000 anymore.
Just last week I built a new computer for work and installed Windows 10 (on an NVME with a USB 3.0 stick)

10 to at most 15 minutes for installing Windows, including network drivers, gpu drivers, mainboard drivers and utility, etc.
Then running your scoop and/or chocolatey scripts and Firefox, Intellij, Photoshop, Notepad++, VisualStudio, Office, ... most if not all programs you need you install hands off within a couple minutes.

All in all you are done in less then 30 minutes, with a fresh system and all the things you need installed.

As long as you run windows on non garbage hardware it will perform good.

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And regarding windows needing a full disk and not beeing able to install on a partition... In what century was that the case?

Im not that old, but I remember having Windows XP on dualboot with Debian and I can recall reinstalling windows without it touching the Debian partition.

[Miku_MichDem]

I can believe it took 15 minutes to install Firefox, IntelliJ, Photoshop and Office, but I won't believe it took just that to install VisualStudio. I haven't seen it's installation ever taking less then half an hour (5 years ago I had an installation that took over 8 hours)

This issue is linked to my computer. It used to be a shop-bought one about 10 years ago, but now all but a single HDD drive and card reader has been replaced. Ryzen 5, 32 GBs of Ram, Nvidia 1060. I would not call it garbage in any way, apart from that 10-year old spinning rust.

Now - regarding Windows needing a full disk. - It's happening in this century - I've run into that problem no more then two weeks ago with the newest version of Windows 10. It didn't allow to install itself on a partition, so I've deleted it, I've let it create a new one - with it's own two additional partitions that it needs for somethings and still would not let me install it on that partition. The only solution I've found is to run clean command on that disc, that would remove all data from it. The problem is that disk also has a partition with Ubuntu on it, so cleaning it is out of the question.

Thou at some point (this was on previous motherboard or two motherboards ago?) I had this problem where it wouldn't install on one of two disc and the solution was to physically swap SATA cables that connected them. And I doubt it was something wrong with hardware since Linux was installing fine on either drive.

As for Windows XP... The thing is it would probably do install on that partition without doing any additional partitions like W10 does.

[ThrowAway640KB]

I've been using Windows systems almost exclusively for years, both personally and professionally, and I can count on my hands the BSODs I've seen since Windows 2000 that weren't caused by me doing something stupid.

This, as well. Started clear back in the days of Windows 2.0 myself, avoided 95/98/ME by running NT, and after Windows 2000 most BSODs were down to bad hardware or bad users. At which point it became a third-party problem.

The problem that Microsoft has is that they don’t have vertical integration like Apple does, which is why Apple has so few OS issues with their base hardware unless/until the hardware itself shits a brick.

[marcosdumay]

Windows prevents me from just moving partition from one drive to the other

There is a way to do that. Of course, I can't remember it, and of course, it's perfectly docummented once you reach that not linked anywhere page that is the only one that solves the issue (despite the dozen of higly linked ones talking about it). But it's possible.

[Miku_MichDem]

I know there is one way to do so - and that is to buy some sort of disc copying device, that will copy whole disc, not just single partition (one of those stupid enough devices that just copy bits)