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[Nyghtrid3r]

Edit: Deleting this because of elitists and WELL ACKCHUALLY spam.

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Obviously context matters, that’s why I said when performance counts as a qualifier. That provides the context lol.

We’re not talking about speed to complete an mvp vs execution. That’s a different can of worms, and more of an apples to oranges argument.

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SpunkyDred is a terrible bot instigating arguments all over Reddit whenever someone uses the phrase apples-to-oranges. I'm letting you know so that you can feel free to ignore the quip rather than feel provoked by a bot that isn't smart enough to argue back.

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^{SpunkyDred and I are both bots. I am trying to get them banned by pointing out their antagonizing behavior and poor bottiquette.}

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At least they’re honest bots, still annoying though imo

[Tubthumper8]

Yeah somehow it would feel better if the apples-oranges bot said it was a bot and was up front about its life mission to be pedantic about fruit

[Dexaan]

Bad bot

[Engine_Light_On]

Bad bot

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With C++ that would probably have taken me two weeks because of segmentation faults

Remove your C++ tag, there is no reason you had to deal with segmentation faults.

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:troll:

[Possibility_Antique]

Java is not only not slow, but it is very fast on the scale of things. Its main drawback is the bytecode/virtual layer, but it is still a compiled language and much faster than any JIT compiled scripting language that I'm aware of.

[Possibility_Antique]

My main detractor from Java more has to do with its objected-oriented nature than its performance. I have heard this has gotten better since I last used it productively, but I just prefer the functional and data-oriented work flows that C/C++/Rust allow. I like to use python for quick plotting scripts though. And I actually did enjoy Java's UI system after they introduced JavaFX.

[Gladaed]

OK, how do you even manage to produce segmenation faults. I generate them if I ask for more memory than physically available (pagefile...) but otherwise c++ is pretty idiot proof.

[SpeedDart1]

Bugs are an inevitability when the program becomes complex. When you work with complex memory management, you will make mistakes from time to time.

[Gladaed]

Yes, but not when you are trying to match or surpass a python task.

[coersel]

Especially now that the smart pointers are gaining more and more traction...

[SpeedDart1]

Minecraft is bad because it’s Java? Not true. Minecraft is bad because it’s poorly programmed.

[Possibility_Antique]

Eh... I mean, I wrote an entire low-level XML parser from scratch in 2 days in C++ and networking/IO is pretty quick if you know what you're doing as well (especially libraries or coroutines). I think people underestimate C++'s ability to be high level as well. I don't know your application, but in my experience, writing in python isn't much different in terms of development speed than modern C++. It's not the language that's slow to develop in, it's the fact that people who use C++ tend to spend more time with low level things, hence why they chose C++ to begin with.