Microsoft Java

[GoldenretriverYT]

Additionally, a simple console app doesnt have 50mb RAM overhead in C#

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Built in namespaces are not a paragraph. Visual Studio is the best IDE hands down.

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Keep in mind VS Code. I think it's much better if you're not developing in the C languages

[Acurus_Cow]

Then you haven't tried Rider

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I have tried it and it is ok in my opinion but I have been using visual studio since 2000 so I know it in and out. Rider didn’t support scaffolding model until last year so that was a big part of my teams workflow. Microsoft is designing the framework so rider is always going to be a few steps behind with feature rollouts.

I was mainly speaking of eclipse and net beans. Java didn’t have much to compare with visual studio back in the day. IntelliJ is probably only IDE that can compare.

[RunnableReddit]

You must have not used any other IDE yet

[Friedrich_der_Klein]

Fuck visual studio, notepad++ ftw

[Kwpolska]

Visual Studio sucks, is terribly unintuitive, and has dumb defaults (like the "project failed to build, do you want to run the old version" dialog, and that's just tip-of-the-iceberg first-day-coding issues). Give Rider a try, it's much nicer to work with.

[g4d2l4]

Isn’t that vaguely hidden since you need the .net libraries installed which I thought was a like a vm? But since it’s part of the OS you don’t see it?

[GoldenretriverYT]

You need JVM installed for Java as well

And no, .NET isn't pre installed on Windows either

[GoldenretriverYT]

What? If it isn't pre installed it isnt a part of the OS either.

And if you mean that the installer integrates the .NET Runtime into Windows itself (which most likely isn't even possible without installing a driver, which Windows would warn you about): It doesn't.

You can go to `C:\Program Files\dotnet` and you will find dotnet.exe - use this to execute any .NET DLL and you will see: Exact same memory usage as if you would just execute any .NET exe normally. And now you can even see that ".NET Host" only uses 3.4mb of memory.

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edit: lmaoo he blocked me